| Created at | August 23, 2008 |
| Created by | Timo Vuorensola |
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Nuke in Space and on Moon
DescriptionI would need the most complete description of firing and exploding a nuke in space - what happens, what are the effects, how much it differs from the same action taken on Earth, what about radiation, how does it look and sound like. Also, the same questions on Moon environment. And as a bonus - if you know movies/TV-serieses that have 'nukes in space', please drop names - I'd like to see how others have done it. Timo.
ShotsPlasma ShotsFrom the wikipedia article on the Project Orion:
A bomb with a cylinder of reaction mass expands into a flat, disk-shaped wave of plasma when it explodes. A bomb with a disk-shaped reaction mass expands into a far more efficient cigar-shaped wave of plasma debris. "
Doomsday machinasSpotted this article on Wired where they listed doomsday machines in movies. http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/multimedia/2008/11/gallery_doomsday Unfortunately no nukes in space, but interesting reference material though. And kind of like all the satelite super weapons which could be used in space battles. CommentsThis shot doesn't have comments. Was done by the USAThe USA did lauch nukes into space early sixties:
The article descripe what is seen from Earth. Also here is a list with nuke tests:
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November 08, 2008 00:28
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SoundI don’t think there would be any sound because there is a vacuum in space and thus nothing to carry the sound waves, which are “density variations in the carrier medium”. CommentsThis shot doesn't have comments. Some more Nuke-research...I have found an old question in Google Answers (the page is not available but there was a cached version which I will paste below) ----------
segwonk-ga: What would a nuclear explosion in outer space look like?
I'm going to quote several sources, so you can see that a consensus
Q: How does an explosion in space differ from that on Earth?
Q: No nuclear mushroom cloud?
From, "The Science of Science Fiction" edited by Peter Nicholls:
The main hazard of space nuclear explosions is EMP (electromagenetic pulse). The output of an atomic detonation is: 1) Blast: An explosion creates a wall of air (shock wave) which moves
2) Ionizing radiation: The X-rays, gamma rays, and neutrons would be
3) Fallout: It is already pretty nasty in space. If the weapon is in
The re-entering material will be vaporized into gas. The vast bulk
4) Light and heat: The light and heat should be diluted sufficiently
Again, in other words:
First, in the absence of an atmosphere, blast disappears completely. Second, thermal radiation, as usually defined, also disappears. There
This effects are elaborated here:
A less well known effect of high altitude bursts, but also one with
Elaborated here:
For a detailed study of the effects of such an explosion on
Then a couple of additional links: What would an explosion in space look like?
Atomic Rocket: Space War: Weapons:
Hope this helps! (Although you may have already found these links yourselves) CommentsFascinating. Just like a space Nazi to leave the Earth with a weapon SUPER USELESS in space (speaking relatively about an object as lethal as an atomic bomb); however, I would argue that there would be less pure vacuum in a STAR BATTLE FIELD that one might think due to the presence of FORCE FIELDS and ARMADAS! There is obviously a Germanic Da Vinci on the Moon planning
I believe that the individual problems of physics would make planning an invasion hilarious! I see the MooNazis moving their
Nuclear Blast on Moon Would Also Have Columnar ShapeFrom: http://www.allanstime.com/UnifiedFieldTheory/N-Blast_Moon/index.html and http://www.allanstime.com/News/PressReleases/N-blast_moon.htm "In the case of a nuclear blast on the moon, though there would be the initial explosion of dust particles in all directions along with the fireball, there would be no mushroom cloud formation due to the lack of an atmosphere. On the earth, it is the atmosphere pushing back on the column of particles and dust as they rocket vertically along these diallel lines that causing the billowing out in a giant doughnut shape that makes the head of the mushroom cloud on earth. In the new theory, a nuclear blast on the moon with its high-energy particles, carrying large amounts of dust as well, and photons would continue out in a column from the moon. If the blast were facing the earth, then it would result in tremendous bombardment with high-energy particles that would only partially be mitigated by the earth's atmosphere. According to the new theory, one very significant thing that is not currently recognized about nuclear blasts is that high-energy particles and photons are emitted in both directions -- up and down. An extrapolation of the new model is that the cumulative effect from nuclear tests and blasts in the past and the present has caused core heating at the center of the earth to such an extent that it is a primary cause of global warming." Some more: Nuke the Moon! - http://utenti.lycos.it/paoloulivi/nuke.html
CommentsUnderstood :) I *must* be more precise to direct my growling toward the author of
I appreciate your correction. :) That Allan guy really is kinda loopy :P I would not know - I just copied what I found and am no physicist or nuclear expert whatsoever. ;) That is an unwise extrapolation, unfortunately.
And one should be EXTREMELY CAREFUL of one's sources. Do NOT tell *ME* that high energy photons and particles carried outward from a nuke blast, or gravity field lines, have anything
Two pics of nukes in spaceFrom: http://gimbalock.blogspot.com/2007/07/images-of-day-nukes-in-space.html CommentsThe biggest nuke ever dropped was by the Russians, which was even felt in Finland, it was so powerful. Information about it is avialable here
and video of the actual detonation is here on these youtube sites. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9AMtUeyDP0&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxD44HO8dNQ&feature=related Hope this helps. There are a few more pics of high-altitude tests on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_altitude_nuclear_explosion although I am assuming the Energia team already found them themselves... ;) Nice colorful pictures. Can destruction be this beautiful? Real Iron SkyJust trying some idea:
CommentsThis shot doesn't have comments. Using Nukes as rocketsYup, blow up lots of little nukes behind a space ship it's go very fast! I knew it was project daedelus but found it in Wiki under Project Orion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion) A nuke is still the transmission of explosive force through a medium. Without air, there is nothing to translate the energy so there is a bright flash "photon emmision from the fission event" though no fire ball in a vacuum. As the article says the big problem is high energy radiation which would flood the local vann allen radiation belts - not a good idea! As for looks and sound, you wouldn't got too far wrong IMHO if you looked at the Jango Fett seismic charge from Attack of the Clones. CommentsMaybe from that radiation we can get a REAL IRON SKY...
August 29, 2008 14:37
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Nukes in space and elsewhereAt
And as for explosions in space...just go to NASA's picture archives and search supernova...they happen somewhere every day. CommentsThis shot doesn't have comments. |
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Presentation on Project Orion;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l2QopJbDBs
So basically what you have is a giant fist punching the ship hull uniformly.
It'll probably be uncomfortable, but unless the ships are really fragile, i doubt they would get more than the usual startrek hit with sparks and blinking lights with minimal actual damage, with the thermal energy being the most useful effect here.
Molten hull metal and any exposed instrumentation, or unlucky bastard who happened to peek out the window at the time.
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