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Created at August 20, 2008
Created by Matti-Pekka Ritvola
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What direction should the production take? Original comic is in new-style batman animated series. If production will be live-action, that obviously can not be used as such. Feel free to also comment on the general idea of the production and shout out thoughts regarding the theme.

Seek out the original if you are interested, it has been released atleast in the Batman: Black&White comic collection.

Visual style in the comic is very classic film-noir and its quite brutal in a batman scale. Blood and even a short sex scene is shown. Visual style in an animated or a film version should be true to the original but be a touch more realistic i think.

Attachements include Bruce Timm version of Two-Face and one femme fatale, could not find the exact one featured in the comic at this time.


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jake van't Klaphek October 26, 2008 19:58 0 Thumb-ups
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many diferent ways to go

many ways would work here
a sin city (very cartoon like cg backgrounds black white film )

cartoony (like said in previous comments like a scanner darkly (which wasa terrible movie but had a good style))

film noir (just ore regular black and white like)

gritty (like film noir but not as...black and white)
but no matter what...two face has to look like he did in the dark knight...cause that was perfect, it was exactly like two face should look

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Jack Malinowski September 03, 2008 17:27 0 Thumb-ups
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Great Story.

I really enjoyed the Bruce Timm piece.
Overall I think it perfectly draws on Harvey's most salient characteristics.
Placing Harvey as the narrator really strengthens the sisters.
I do find some melancholic comedy in the type A personality Marylyn that
would identity Two Face as susceptible to Madeline. I do feel that certain
plot points here weaken Harvey instead of strengthening him through comedy.
(IE. 'I lied...' in lieu of 'So she lied. So had I. I lied...' leading to Harvey emerging from a Reststop or Lavatory rather than staring into a lake.) Similarly, in the next plot point of, 'I tried to fight it, but I could feel my perfectly ordered world unraveling...' I lose the power of Harvey's choice to work the night after shopping with his newly wed. I think Harvey is more than just THE tragic figure. He is the TRAGIC crusader. 'Then... Alone that night, working, I couldn't finish. I wouldn't leave the office. I was scared of what could frighten my own Marylyn. I was scared to forgive...'

Apologies for the long winded comment, but I really enjoyed the comic.

How is it that the Bat would miss Madeline's clumsy acts of wanton aggression?
'Good 'ole Bruce' isn't much of a confidant but he's a great friend.

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Timo Vuorensola August 20, 2008 12:08 0 Thumb-ups
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Strong graphic animation

What I really feel is missing, and could be achieved, is a strong graphic animation style with possibly live action as the basis of movements - like in Sin City & Spirit, but maybe more "live" and "rough".

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Jack Malinowski September 03, 2008 17:00 Flag

I would agree. A still camera or camera array designed to catch identity and intention but too slow to catch action would sufficiently present a noir. Grain might interfere in identifying the specifics of action, leaving action more mysterious than the prologues and epilogues of it. Something happens and the viewer is pretty damn sure they know what it is but the filmmaker can not produce evidence. I can attest at least in New York city that there are well documented cases of security cameras with blurry or impaired vision, documenting violence rather than deterring it.

Timo Vuorensola August 20, 2008 12:14 Flag

Exactly that would be very very cool!

Matti-Pekka Ritvola August 20, 2008 12:14 Flag

Like an animated version of the visual style seen in Max Payne comic sequences?

e.g.
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/pc/maxpayne2/1016/max_screen004.jpg

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Oskar Lönnberg August 20, 2008 16:28 0 Thumb-ups
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Scanner Darkly

Unfortunately Timo influenced my ideas already. But the style and means in Scanner Darkly (2006) movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405296/) could be used here. Without knowing the story line the concept sounds like it could use stronger colors and contrast to support the duality.

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Oskar Lönnberg August 21, 2008 06:16 Flag

Haven't seen that one, but it really looks cool. I need to dig up the movie from somewhere and watch it.

Matti-Pekka Ritvola August 20, 2008 19:58 Flag

personally i think the rotoscoping animation has been way overdone lately, but the french sci-fi-neo-noir flick Renaissance used this in a great way.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0386741/

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Oskar Lönnberg August 20, 2008 17:29 0 Thumb-ups
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Bizarre world

Looking at the femme fatale picture made me think of graphics artist Serge Clerc and after some digging I found again also Ever Meulen and Joost Swarte. They all have this nice graphical and bizarre style of drawing.

But because the one of themes in the movie is insanity the world could reflect also the state of mind. Especially these two images by Ever MeuIen I scanned gives some insight what the insanity of the movie world could be. The coloring is ofcourse something which should support this imagery.

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Oskar Lönnberg August 21, 2008 06:14 Flag

Yes there is a fine line where things are over done.

Matti-Pekka Ritvola August 20, 2008 20:06 Flag

Nice :D this reminds me of Geoff Darrow's Hard Boiled series with ultra-details. (http://www.leahfaust.com/fausthaus_blog/miller_darrow1.jpg)

Honoring the original work, would still prefer a more simple approach. Could be quite chaotic when used in collaboration with live-action :D

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