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Composing starts with the First Dialog of Act I

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Created atSeptember 20, 2010
Created bySivi Uitto
ClosedDecember 15, 2010
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Antti Wiio Gabriel's monolog / Edit
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Hi all,
Find attached the final version of Act I, Scene I, first part. Thanks for contributing, very good work all. Keep on working like this.

Best, operatives and production leader

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Ladies and Gentlemen!

Finally we have reached the moment when the composing can start! As you know, our tool will be the http://musescore.org/ You can download it for free and check out the basic functions in Youtube:

Please compose using a template that includes piano + vocal parts named. It would be nice that you sign every file you send with your name(in the score), so that I will be able to follow up each and everyones contribution to the final score.

The first composing task is to compose the dialog from the first scene. It is preferred, not to compose an ouverture yet, that we can do when we know how the following scenes take form. You can also compose a part of the 1st scene of the Act one, everything is welcomed.

The characters are:
Gabriel - Basso
Gazardiel - Mezzo Soprano
Jophiel - Lyrical Tenor
Bastianel - Soprano
Lucifer- Dramatic Soprano
Mozart -Tenor
Oscar Wilde - Baritone
Joan of Arc - Mezzo Soprano

Voice of God - Choir
Nephili/ Giants - Choir

Post you music as musescore- file not as .pdf -file in to you shots.

I wish you all a very inspiring time, with this historical moment!

With the very best wishes,
Operative - Markus


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Antti Wiio October 10, 2010 18:54 3 Thumb-ups
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Gabriel's monolog / Edit

I have only had time to do some sketching for Gabriels monolog at the begining.

And I made the mistake of using Sibelius. I thought I remembered someone telling that Sib exports MusicXML and MuseScore imports MusicXML. Ok, it turned out that you need a commercial plugin to Sib to import MusicXML. The price tag is $99, which I think is quite hefty for a piece of software which only does one thing.

What I got to MuseScore from Sib was an unholy mess. I don't of course know, if Sib, the Dolet plugin or MuseScore is to blame. There was even music that I had deleted from the Sib score, and much of the music in Sib score was missing. And some things were in wrong order!

So, it is of no use to upload the musescore score here as it stands. Here is an MP3 created with Sibelius/Garritan, and a PDF file printed with Sibelius.

Btw, if you hear a bassoon as Gabriels voice, don't adjust your computer. Sib's and Garritan bass voices are quite mudled, you get a much clearer articulation using Garritan's bassoon.

EDIT 17th Oct

It has bothered me that the ending ("withering, wretched...) in my shot sounds rather flimsy. I meant the mood to evolve from furious to resigned/depressed, but ending in the first version doesn't catch the dark moods required here.

Well, the dark, resigned mood still eludes me! So I have written a new ending that I hope reasserts the furious mood of the opening bars.

EDIT 25th Oct 2010

This weekened, I only managed to do some sketching for the begining of Gabriel opening speech to other angels. The transition from "Distress.." -chorus to "As your CEA.." would require some smooth modulation from E minor to A minor, which I haven't yet worked out.

I also have doubts that this is perhaps an overly dramatic treatement of "free will is failing..." I am tempted to try and find a more subtle approach.

Edit 26.10.
I tried to include the musicXML file created with Sibelius plugin "Dolet" -- for what it is worth. An unusable mess was created when I imported it to museScore. (Export to Noteflight doesn't work any better, I've tried.)
I got error message "xml filetype is not supported".

Edit 2.11.
Improved ( I hope :-) span from "As Your CEA..." to "...failing to meet God's expectations". Reworked some of the wordings also.

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Markus Fagerudd October 18, 2010 09:53 Flag

Great Antti! Sounds very promising!
Markus

Rolldi Abdeselam Mohamed September 22, 2010 12:43 3 Thumb-ups
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Check my progress

<----- SEE "CHECK MY PROGRESS 2 ---->
You can, also, write the sheetmusic with Sibelius and export to XML (compatible with Musescore) using DOLET. Find it.

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Rolldi Abdeselam Mohamed October 04, 2010 20:36 Flag

Sorry, Links has expired, try with links of "Check my progress 2".

Markus Fagerudd October 04, 2010 09:35 Flag

Hi Rolldi! I tried to download your score but it didn't work. I listened to the mp3, some beatuful stuff in there. But could you please write this down to a pianoscore. Right now the orchestration is not what is intended, the pianoscore is really important. If you have the time, it would be super. Keep on!

Markus operative

Sivi Uitto October 13, 2010 10:47 2 Thumb-ups
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Great Job Everyone!

Great Job everyone! Operatives are excited to listen and check in to these suggestions.

And more suggestions are welcome even beyond the deadline.

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Rolldi Abdeselam Mohamed October 04, 2010 04:19 2 Thumb-ups
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Check my progress 2

The dialogues are very extense, more than normal. However I completed to "But this time its going to be different [...]"

I uploaded following:

VST Recreation using VST Miroslav Philarmonic: WAV File (100 mb) converted to MP3 128 kb (10 mb) - http://lix.in/-9024e2
The Sheetmusic in Sibelius Format (Sibelius 6,5,4 and 3), PDF format and XML (this file is wrong) - http://lix.in/-8b90ff

Please, hear the recreation and comment my "shot". Dolet Plugin (Sib to XML compatible with MuseScore) has failed, Why? No idea.

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The Sheetmusic has been impossible of convert to XML or MuseScore Format because it is a basic format and my sheetmusic contain advanced notation. However , its available on PDF. I dont have more options. Thanks for all

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Javier Armendáriz September 30, 2010 16:16 2 Thumb-ups
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FREE WILL

This is my composition about "Free Will". Act I, First Scene. Dialogue completed
Javier Armendáriz

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Javier Armendáriz October 07, 2010 19:34 Flag

Hi Markus,
Thanks for your words.
Here my composition until page 5.
Javier

Markus Fagerudd October 05, 2010 13:42 Flag

Hi Javier! What I meant that right now the form is more of a song. We could start moulding it up by cutting the metrical form. The dialog now waits for the music, instead the music should react to the dialog, which means tempo changes, leaving the 4/4 thinking etc. But you have a very nice and sensitive feeling for the characters, that is really good. Think of it as an extended way of speaking, there you will find material for the rhytmical stuff. The dialog will be more alive, and not forced into certain measures of time. Hopefully this helps you. Great opening! Go on!

Markus

Javier Armendáriz October 05, 2010 10:54 Flag

Hi Markus,
Thank you.
The dialog a form of a song. Then, must I to repeat some melodies, like chorus? Do you mean this?
Javier

Markus Fagerudd October 04, 2010 09:43 Flag

Hi Javier!

Thank you for sending in the opening! Many nice things there, you have a good sence of characters! What I was thinking of is that right now the material is very metrical, which means we loose a bit drama. The dialog is more a form of a song. When some more material drops in I will make a first edit, I'm sure there will be parts from your material in that! Thank you and keep on!
Markus operative

Mar García October 01, 2010 21:43 Flag

I like very much. Wonderful

Harri Erämetsä October 06, 2010 08:13 1 Thumb-up
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Gabriel´s prologue and 1st line after

Hi please find attached my contribution to the Free Will ACT I composition task, at this stage.
So far I´ve had time to finish Gabriel´s opening prologue and the first line after the prologue.

For a quick check:
LISTEN (click) the Mp3-file below!

The MuseScore files include the vocal + piano as asked at this stage (to the second line fileI´ve also included sello-line which plays unisono with vocal, just because the MuseScore vocal voice generator gives such a flat output, to strenghten a bit the melody line when listening. The prologue piano part is unfortunately scored just for one staff (bass), it´s of course played by two hands but I had some difficulties in scoring, I hope it´s OK at this stage.

To make the listening of my output easy and quick, for those who are interested, I also attache a Mp3 file which includes the same information as my two MuseScore files (prologue and first line after) played by piano. I included to this audio track also a drum-rhythm for a "metronome" because my rhythmic approach is maybe less conventional, e.g. the prologue is in 6/4 and it includes quite a lot syncopes. It´s in such way quite a "jazzy", including the harmonisation.

All kind of comments are welcome.

Harri

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Enrico De Zottis October 04, 2010 10:16 1 Thumb-up
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Free Will scene 1, score UPDATED

Hello everybody - here is my music score to the entire first scene. The piano score is very brief, since I wanted the focus to be on the vocal parts.
Hope you will find something interesting in it!
Thank you!
Enrico

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Enrico De Zottis October 03, 2010 17:23 1 Thumb-up
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Free Will scene 1, score

Hello,
this is my score to the dialogues of the first scene.
Enrico

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Rafael Pérez Daniëls September 30, 2010 20:05 1 Thumb-up
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Gabriel's meditative state

Hi

Here's just a bit of the dialogue 1, if someone finds it useful. I'm an amateur, so it takes me a lot of time for composing ;-)

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Antti Wiio September 27, 2010 07:07 3 Thumb-ups
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Collaboration on text analysis and composing

I would like ask the operatives if they have formulated any ideas about the process of collaborative composing? Since the days of Beethoven, the composers have been seen as torch bearers of heroic individualism. It would be quite something if this could be made to work as a truly collaborative effort.

I dont't think it would be very good if we end up in a situation where everyone is parallelly composing his/hers own thing in the loneliness of his/hers study. That would probably leave the operatives two options:

1. Have Markus integrate the best bits of the indivual scores into a hopefully coherent whole. (This doesn't sound very promising -- think about the chances of combining the best part's of Le Sacre du Printemps and L'Apre-midi d'un Faune into something coherrent ;-)

2. Select the best individual score and have Markus polish it up, perhaps with the help of comments and suggestions from other members.

I think option number two would probably produce a better score, but at the cost of collaborativeness.

I don't have an all-encompassing solution to this question, but I'd like to throw in some ideas. Collaboration on composing may be very challenging, but I think it is much easier to collaborate on things that come before composing. For instance text analysis: What are the moods and emotions in the acts and scenes? What kind of persons the characters are? What are their relations? Aspirations? Hidden motives and agendum? These are all things that you can and you should weave into the music!

Let's take Gabriel opening speech for the angels' emergency meeting as an example. You could choose to portray him as a slightly pompous person. You could spell out "CEA" into "Chief Executive Angel", and have him sing it as a pompous fanfare.

Or you could adopt a very different approach: You could have him sing "As your CEA" in a matter-of-fact -like manner, with slight emphasis on "CEA". At this point you could have him pause and look sternly around to table -- and then go on: "I've called this etc..." This pause would convey to other angels that "I'm still the boss around here -- in case you have forgotten." There could perhaps exist a rivalry between Gabriel and the more senior other angles. This would create interpersonal tensions that you could weave into the music and also utilize later on.

Some toughts about the order of composing. Is the begining on the story really the best place to start the composing? How about finding the scenes that are really at the core of this work? Composing them first would give the rest of the composing a more or less fixed style, tone, sound and feel to aim at. It would help make this into a coherent and integrated whole, because everything else should musically compatible with these key scenes.

The music of a good opera has a personal, recognizable voice of its' own. (For instance, the opera "Tosca" has a voice that is distinctly different from that of "La Boheme", even though they are by same composer) In a collaborative work, the voice cannot be personal to the composer, but it could be personal to the work.

Maybe these key scenes should be developed into orchestrated scores before continuing to other scenes -- to really fix the personal voice of this work. It would be easier to have a rich collaboration and sketching of multitude of ideas in such a limited part of the score. After that, a more managed approach would probably be needed to ensure coherrent whole.

Maybe this could play out something like this:

1. Operatives select one or two key scenes.

2. Collaborative text analysis for the key scenes.

3. General sketching and commenting of ideas for motives and also for ways to support and enhance the text musically (the collaborative process should probabaly be very much centered around the text)

4. Call for shots for entire key scenes.

5. Based on the results of 1-4, Markus creates the final, orchestrated scores for the key scenes.

For other scenes, there could perhaps be some text analysis, then proceeding to steps four and five. Less sketching at this point, because we should already know where we the thing is heading to.

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Markus Fagerudd September 29, 2010 06:32 Flag

Hi Guys!
And thanks for you're thoughts around the matter. Antti, you're suggestions are good, but I don't see why put them into boxes. In my opinion all of that could work, we don't have to favor one thing before another. When you spread your music through this site, everyone will see it and will be able to listen to it ( it needs to be a Musescore file, though). My job is to construct the score out of your ideas, and that means that you can contribute with parts of a scene, it can be an entity, but it hasn't to be one. We cannot deal with this production in traditional ways, we have to invent our voyage. And I truly believe that when you start composing in your own very way, the solutions are easier to find than through theoretical constructions.
The task now is the opening scene, we can surely later jump and do things that aren't linked immediately to each other. Opera gives a chance to big variety in musical ideas, and you don't have to think that you're composing something in vain. Music doesn't work the way a language does, which means that something that you've composed for the opening scene might just be THE music for another scene. We can also try writing music first, and add lyrics to it, if it feels the right thing to do. Or, a vocal part can be transferred into a instrumental part and work as an intermezzo, for instance. The variations are endless. I'm also not worried of stylistic matters, we are now creating something that hasn't been done before, and that means our piece will also sound as something that hasn't been done before. It is constructed from sounding bits, and this I think is the utmost inspiring challenge. Let's start shaping this giant! Feel free to just go on and bring your musical ideas to the table in the shape of a musical score, I will link your ideas together and we will see the first bits of this giant jigsaw. Write a pianoscore, the orchestration comes later on and will be my main concern when we get a pianoscore that works.

Best regard from
Markusoperative

Harri Erämetsä September 28, 2010 09:54 Flag

Yes in principle - but back to the reality:
If the writing wasn´t possible to implement as a joint effort, how could the composing could be done as a collective work?
In the very beginning of this project I asked (see my comments) about the collaborative tools but didn´t get any innovative ideas. I had the idealistic idea of the "open source creative work" but so far it seems that everyone work themselves and the most active get their output through. H.

Rafael Pérez Daniëls September 27, 2010 21:40 Flag

I fully agree with Antti that composing should be a more collaborative effort.

I like the idea of having a pool of musical ideas that can be shared by everyone and can inspire others, giving them the opportunity to evolve, as melodies or arrangements. We could use a tool for sharing and organizing the different versions of scores that are being created, tracking the fusions or branches produced like it's done in software development with code in tools as CVS.
Everyone could then listen to the different versions of scores, choose the one s/he likes the most and contribute to its development.

And I also agree with Nancy that text should evolve with music. If text is too rigid, music may not fit naturally. Even if we choose text as basis structure, both music and text need to evolve together.

Nancy Somerville September 27, 2010 15:09 Flag

Hi Antti - Your outline of steps 1-5 sounds very promising to me. Also I'd like to comment that the libretto itself can, and probably should, change and evolve as the composers work with it -- they are likely to have needs and suggestions to adapt the libretto to better suit certain aspects of the music.