NASA Moon Mission 2018

Created atFebruary 28, 2008
Created byTimo Vuorensola
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In Iron Sky, one element of the film is the long-awaited USA return to the Moon in 2018. Let’s start working on the spaceship that’s about to send the Moon Lander once orbiting the Moon. First, we’re gonna need a name.

I’ve personally always approached this from the U.S.S. Nostromo point of view – a big, ugly, clunky, dark and pretty believeable spaceship. Later on, we’re going to go forward and start designing the ship, but hold your horses until then, as a warmup, let’s come up with a believeable name.


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Brendan O'Neill May 20, 2008 08:09 Flag this shot

USS Revenant

Here is the dictionary.com definition of the word

revenant
noun

1. One that returns after a lengthy absence.
2. One who returns after death.

It would work on two levels. Firstly as a good name for the returning ship and secondly as a hint on the main storyline i.e. the Nazis are back!

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D. T. Johnson, Jr. June 26, 2008 05:40 FLAG

great idea

Timo Vuorensola May 30, 2008 18:01 FLAG

I also like this

Stephan Krabbendam May 28, 2008 19:18 FLAG

Sounds a little evil, but I'd use it.

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Conrad Schmidt May 09, 2008 23:15 Flag this shot

Glynn Lunney

Everyone likes anniversaries and statistical coincidence.
50 years in the past (from 2018), the first manned Apollo flight (Apollo 7) was launched. That's why the NASA guys, math-loving as they are, named their 2018 flight after Apollo 7 flight director Glynn Lunney (check the wiki).
a) it's not too bad a name,
b) the NASA could really do like that and
c), what's the most important, we could show off with some serious research done: look, we thoroughly thought about our naming!

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Lynn Kirkconnell May 29, 2008 04:29 FLAG

Sister ship would have to be named Gene Krantz (Kranz)...

Anssi Lautamo May 14, 2008 07:24 FLAG

I like it and it's logical :)

Thorben Krueger May 14, 2008 07:06 FLAG

me too

Felix Thiele May 12, 2008 07:09 FLAG

i like that thought

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Toni Lihs June 01, 2008 17:08 Flag this shot

UEF Colonization

Well, think of it today, more and more the discussion about "too many people on earth" is going around in press. In 2018 China maybe has 2 billion inhabitans, crisis on earth just because of to many people.
To colonize the moon means to make more place for people to live. (I'm thinking about the project of Nazi-germany called "Ost-Erweiterung" (East Enlargement), where they wanted to get territories of east europe for the german population).

Wars on earth are nearly forgotten, terrorists has been captured till 2012 and USA (till then NAU (North-American-Union) has become more peaceful. So on Earth there was an agreement to do science all together (except China). So they founded the UEF (United Earth Force).

Off-Topic:

I thought about the story:

How about the thing, that the Nazi land in France and take it over, the US try the Normandy (like in the Second World War, but the USA fails and getting also their ass kicked. Then its China's turn, it seems like they can handle it they als make it, to get the USA back (that was taken over by the Nazis) but than the REAL Nazi-Forces arrive and all seems lost. But than the Jews (knowing that the Nazi's were on the moon) prepared for their incoming and they defeat them, because the jews build underground bases all over the world and in the end. the people on earth win. they launch some atomic bombs to the moon, to destroy it. but after the moon was destroyed men on earth must take the responsability for this and the climate gets really out of order and in the end humanity must flee to mars, and when their first ship arrived, the communists are already there since 1990 xD

Well, have fun :)

PS:
My thought behind that is: Mankind is hunted by its own history. ("History repeats itself")

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Toni Lihs June 04, 2008 16:42 FLAG

At the end, don't make the anti-Jewish part comedy, but tragedy.

At the end:
Movies with Nazis but without Jews are not that good to do, especially when the Nazis are the main bad character. Then you also could've used some Terrorist, to make it funny, some US Americans (CIA-agents) becoming terrorist, fleeing on the moon, while they were hunted and coming back, with a big spaceship and when they are mostly over 60 years old (there was no woman with them xD).

And in my idea, i want the Jews to be the heroes, because, i think, they had not the chance till today.

Toni Lihs June 04, 2008 16:35 FLAG

The sky is grey, rain is falling.
Running around and killing other people, the Jews try to fight them back. While some of them get captured, others get killed in many horrible ways, like shooting in their arms and legs and opening their stomachs slow, not wounding any vital parts and then slowly taking out their innards.
A horrible way to die.

Franz: "Amily? AMILY? Where did you go? Why did you get off my hand? AMILY!!!"

Franz is crying

SS-Soldiers are coming with Amily (around 6 years old) holding on a soldiers hand

Franz hides himself behind some stones

SS-Soldier1: "We found a little girl!"

Franz sees Amily

SS-Soldier2: "Yeah, I already saw her. Who is she? Is she Aryan?"

SS-Soldier1: "We don't know, but look at her. i don't think she has a right to live."

SS-Soldier2: "I think so, too. Ok, just do the normal procedure."

SS-Soldier1: "Heinemann, Karlson, rip her clothes off and hold her down on the ground. Müller, shoot. Bauer, make the knive ready." (just giving orders)

They try kill here like it is written above the dialog.

Franz jumps up and before they can lay a finger at her.

SS-Soldiers loading the weapons but aren't shooting

Franz: "Wait, wait. She is my little sister."

SS-Soldier2: "Who are you? Call me, Sir? And who the hell gave you, being not Aryan, the right to live, shoot him."

Franz gets shoot and Amily, escaping the procedure, gets also shot.

But there are also other things on earth, since the nazis came back, besides death and cruelty. For example on the north sea in northern europe. The Submarine "SNU schatzjäger" (sdu= Super Nazi U-Bott (super nazi submarine)/ schatzjäger=treasure hunter) on the way to the british east coast broke through the lines of the UEF. unfortunatly the nazi did'nt learned in geography where other countries are situated, except germany, italy and austria. that's why they landed in norway.
SS-Oberuntergruppenführer (SS-upper-under-group-leader) Heinrich Apfel realizes the situation as the first one.

SS-Soldier 1: "Sir, SS-Oberuntergruppenführer Apfel, we are there, we landed in the british islands."

Apfel: "Yeah, yeah, i know. i've seen this landing in my dreams, in the visions of our fuehrer."

the ss-soldiers are cheer up
apfel and some ss-soldiers standing on the submarine

Apfel: "Ok, who get's off first?"

SS-Soldier 2: "Sir, SS-Oberuntergruppenführer Apfel, why don't you go first?"

Apfel: "Are you nuts? What is, if i step on the land and this isle begin to sink. What happens then, when i'm dead while not defeated the brits?"

SS-Soldier 2: "Sir, SS-Oberuntergruppenführer Apfel, why shall this happen."

Apfel: "THERE IS NO MAINLAND." - pause - "Ok, you made me angry, you go first or you'll get executed."

SS-Soldier 2: "Well, if this island really, what never will happen, sinks, then i'll die, too. don't i live longer, if i stay here and get executed at home?!"

Apfel does a step forward, but slips and falls from the submarine.

SS-Soldier 2: "Sir, SS-Oberuntergruppenführer Apfel?"

Apfel: "Y-Y-Yeah?"

SS-Soldier 2: "Does that mean I don't get executed, because you went first on your own."

Apfel screams

Well, it is a bad one. But I hope you undertstand, what i want to say.
If not:
A film, where antisemitism exists, can't be a comedy, but nazi from the moon, well, this can't be a tragedy. So mix both, comedy and tragedy, together. But do not use them at the same time, this isn't possible with such a thing as background.

I hope this short explanation was enough ^^'

Simon Horrocks June 03, 2008 09:27 FLAG

That raises an interesting point - how do you deal with the anti-Jewish part of the Nazis ideology in a "comedy"?

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Luca Oleastri June 04, 2008 09:10 Flag this shot

New Artemis patches

As per request of Juho Savela and Robert Seppälä, here are two new artemis patches, one with the bow only and one with the bow and the names of the crew and a little different shades of colors..
Hope you like it!
A feeback is welcome! :)

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Juho Savela June 04, 2008 10:11 FLAG

Nice detail those seven small stars : )

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Luca Oleastri June 03, 2008 20:37 Flag this shot

Artemis I

Since its fundation, NASA give to many of its main rockets and spacecraft the names of Greeks goods (such as Apollo and Jupiter), so why changing this tradition if you want some kind of ostentation? :)

So I've selected the name Artemis for this and other reasons: Artemis was the Hellenic goddess of forests and hills, and was often depicted carrying a bow and arrows. The deer and the cypress were sacred to her.
She later became identified with Selene, a Titaness who was a Greek moon goddess, and she was sometimes depicted with a crescent moon above her head.

I've also designed a couple fo moon mission patch (see the pictures) with an eye to the NASA patches and the other to the Nostromo patches.
In one you can have a glimpse of the Artemis I spacecraft, in the other you can see the bow and arrow, the weapon carried by Artemis goddes ;)

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Juho Savela June 04, 2008 01:39 FLAG

I like Second one too. Nice thing is that the shape is similiar to Constellation Program's padge. One thing however, NASA usually adds names of the crew to mission padge, so it would be nice to have enough space for crew's names.

Robert Seppälä June 04, 2008 01:14 FLAG

I like the 2nd one, because of the reference to the bow of Artemis. Do you think you could make the bow more classical looking, just curious to see how it would look with something like this:

http://www.tfaoi.com/am/10am/10am32.jpg

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Juho Savela June 03, 2008 22:55 Flag this shot

Odyssey

NASA has given following names to manned spacecrafts.

Mercury program:
Mercury-Redstone 3 Freedom 7
Mercury-Redstone 4 Libery Bell 7
Mercury-Atlas 6 Friendship 7
Mercury-Atlas 7 Aurora 7
Mercury-Atlas 8 Sigma 7
Mercury-Atlas 9 Faith 7

Gemini program:
Gemini 3 The Molly Brown
Gemini spacecrafts were unnamed. The Molly Brown was nickname given by Gemini 3's Commander.

Apollo program: (CSM / LM)
Apollo 9 Gumdrop / Spider
Apollo 10 Charlie Brown / Snoopy
Apollo 11 Columbia / Eagle
Apollo 12 Yankee Clipper / Intrepid
Apollo 13 Odyssey / Aquarius
Apollo 14 Kitty Hawk / Antares
Apollo 15 Endeavour / Falcon
Apollo 16 Casper / Orion
Apollo 17 America / Challenger

Space Shuttles:
Challenger
Columbia
Discovery
Atlantis
Endeavour

Most of the names comes from naval ships, popular culture, have some patriotic meaning. Only small number have Greek background. As it's previously said NASA has history to reuse names to new spacecrafts. Spacecraft launched by NASA could very well have one of those names mentioned above. This would also give some credibility to new spacecraft.

Challenger and probably Columbia too might be out of question for obvious reasons. Some might be a little bit corny. As I said in one comment, my personal favourite is Odyssey. It has some dark history behind it without being catastrophical accident. Many knows Apollo 13 name but not so many knows it's Command Module's name. So it could be considered nice joke for space history buffs.

btw USS prefix is used by USN so I can't see why would NASA use it. No other American agency than NASA (if even NASA) has enough resources and knowledge (even in 2018) to launch manned mission to moon.

Edit: Removed Enterprise from the shuttle list.

Vigilant

The idea of having the title "USS" implies too much restriction on the United States as being the sole force behind the expedition. It's logical to assume that that's why none of the Space Shuttles have/had that prefix. NASA works with many people from many nations, and in 2018 it'll more than likely be a conglomerate of nations taking the trip to the moon, rather than just the U.S.

Now, to the name; Vigilant is defined as "keenly watchful to detect danger," which would add an element of irony to the idea of a world that had forgotten about the Nazis, who had been on the moon all along.

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Jukka Pinonummi May 05, 2008 14:34 Flag this shot

U.S.S. Schwuler

USA and german have a society of queer people,and they have own spaceship and spacestation.
They keep the spacestation orgys, its call antigravity sex party.

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Timo Vuorensola May 30, 2008 17:58 FLAG

I wouldn't also go that route, but at least this spawned an interesting discussion here :)

Lynn Kirkconnell May 29, 2008 04:31 FLAG

That earns 100 points for uniqueness right there.

Charles Anderson May 13, 2008 01:30 FLAG

Has anyone really thought about the practicalities of sex in Zero-G?

Sex is messey at the best of times (well good sex is).

I can't help remembering astronauts playing with fluid in zero-g :-(

Felix Thiele May 12, 2008 07:05 FLAG

oh please no, an U.S.S. Schwuler ... thats no good

Wayne Borean May 12, 2008 00:25 FLAG

Check out Diana Gallagher's song "Zero G Sex", it's worth a laugh. One line is, 'Easy on the retrojets'

Jukka Pinonummi May 05, 2008 17:48 FLAG

It's not a NASA's ship, it is a independent.

It is a citizen of USA and German,they are wery rich and freak
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They are a rich people society,and it is a private club.

If you are shit loaded money,you are little kinky,you want to join a private club and want to have a sex on a spacestation, you are wellcome.

Roman Ewert May 05, 2008 15:34 FLAG

Ehm - what about "no"?! Why should NASA name a ship after German gays?

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BJ Mitchell May 08, 2008 01:13 Flag this shot

There is already a NASA Program Name for the Mission...

There is already a NASA program name for the spacecraft that will return to the moon - Orion/Altair. (See http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/exploration/mmb/orion_announcement.html, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_%28spacecraft%29, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_%28spacecraft%29for more info.) There are plenty of mockups and graphics representing the vehicles.

I'm betting that the first mission to the moon will be named either Eagle (first lunar lander - note that Altair is the brightest star in the constellation Aquila The Eagle), Challenger or Columbia (tribute to the lost missions).

A potential variation might be to have the return landing conducted by a private company (like Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic). Or maybe a race between public (Virgin Galactic) and government (NASA). One arrives within minutes of the other - both are taken captive by the Nazis.

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Timo Vuorensola May 30, 2008 18:19 FLAG

Very good. I think this pretty well nails it down, the moon mission and the actual name of the ship, plus what it will be like.

Juho Savela May 22, 2008 21:15 FLAG

First Odyssey's (Apollo 13 command module) journey was a successful failure at best. If second one's lunar lander somehow find's "moon nazis", that journey will be one of mankind's epic failures.

Timo-Heikki Mäkelä May 22, 2008 20:55 FLAG

Referring too much to an existing program would be problematic, because then the film would be too closely compared with reality. Using another name let's more freedom for imagination.

It's also well expectable, that NASA will still rename or cancel their project and launch another one with a different name.

Not that those names wouldn't be fine names. Especially Odysseus does sound cool.

Juho Savela May 22, 2008 20:24 FLAG

I would also like historical name. Even more so if flight is made with conventional Apollo like Constellation system.

Constellation program uses Ares rocket(s) to bring Command Module (CM), Service Module (SM), Lunar Module (LM) and Earth Departure Stage module (EDS). CM and SM systems are named Orion and LM system is named Altair.

Apollo used command module designations CM-101 to CM-119 or something like that. Each individual module had own "callsign". Apollo 11 had CM-107 "Columbia".

So good names could be CM-20x Columbia (apollo 11) or CM-20x Odyssey (apollo 13)

BJ Mitchell May 11, 2008 03:33 FLAG

Orion is the actual official successor to the Space Shuttle. Altair is the new extended exploration vessel. That's a done deal. :-)

The US has a history of reusing historic names for both manned spacecraft and naval ships. For example, Columbia was used as the name of the Apollo 11 mission command module (Eagle was the lunar lander). The name was reused for the first Space Shuttle. One can imagine that the first Orion/Altair flight to the Moon might be named Columbia/Eagle. Likewise, the shuttles Challenger and Endeavor were named for famous British exploration ships.

I'm betting that the first return to the moon will use a historic name from a previous mission.

Osiris Brackhaus May 08, 2008 08:31 FLAG

Orion... I'd love to see that name on a spaceship again any time. Space Patrol Orion is one of the coolest things out there. But maybe it would be a little too much to ask of the US to give a spaceship a name with a geeky/cool history..?

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Erron Kelly May 19, 2008 12:01 Flag this shot

Name of the Ship

We all know that humans are sentimental. If this is supposed to be the first return to the moon for America since the original moon landing, the ship would probably be named something sentimental. It was Apollo 11 that landed on the moon, but you probably don't want to take the name right out of NASA's hands..

So, maybe name it Apolla 11 or something, toss something in about it being the sister program/ship to the successful moon landing.

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Timo Vuorensola May 30, 2008 17:55 FLAG

Aquarius is also a beautiful name. Even more, because the second moon mission is most likely focused on finding a spot with some water (ice) on moon.

Yvon Hawke May 30, 2008 15:25 FLAG

Eagle 2 is a good idea. but I'm also thinking that since 13's Aquarius never had the oppotunity to land, perhaps, a ship by the Aquarious name would be more suitable, giving the name a second chance at a moon mission.

Francisco Serrano May 19, 2008 13:12 FLAG

According to the quote "The eagle has landed" the name could be "Eagle 2" .

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