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The Setting / Background

Created at June 11, 2010
Created by Kalle Max Hofmann
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With Vampyre Princess, we really want to incorporate your valued input and ideas right from the start, basically having you guys decide what's going to happen in the film.

Still, there are some basic parameters that are already set - call it "director's vision" if you like, the truth has a lot to do with practical facts as well ;-)

We have learned a lot through Snowblind, and we will incorporate this knowledge in VP3D to give it actual Hollywood quality. Firstly, we are going to use the green screen again, so we can use awesomely fantastic sets with little money. This means it would be a complete waste to place the film in a setting of our reality; such stories are better filmed for real, out there in the world.

So "our" world will be of the "gothapolyptic" sort - imagine clichés of Transilvania, but after a century-long struggle of war between men and vampires. Society seems to be stuck in some kind of shakespearean realm - "Old" values of honour and justice are still upheld, even though man is tired from the endless war against the vampyres, who used to be the leading caste - which is organised like a royal family.

Technology should be on a level between the 1930s and 1970s, there definitively is electricity. Some fighting will surely be done with blades, while I personally am all for the heavy use of automatic firearms - but this will be up for discussion. Vehicles and animals should be avoided as far as possible - depending on the budget, we will be able to rack up, they can be brought back in to the script though ;-)

Now feel free to use this task to post your ideas that come to mind on this background.


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Oliver Lancashire February 23, 2014 14:08 1 Thumb-up
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castle romance

The vampire princess should bring home a boy and when in to kiss the boy sees her fangs so he starts to walk back in fear.

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Mathias Jürgens June 21, 2010 14:20 1 Thumb-up
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Rooftop Action

I'd like to see visions from above. Diving action from hundrets of meters high [Skyline to Bordstein ;-)]. And of course a Grande Finale one on one battle on top of an antenna.

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Angela R. July 31, 2010 10:23 Flag

How about rooftop action as painstakingly (ouch, my neck...) seen from the common mortals below? 8)

Daniel Saarimäki June 21, 2010 16:13 Flag

Nah. This is so traditional. What about turning this upside down? Battles in the tunnels!

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David Jansson June 14, 2010 13:54 4 Thumb-ups
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Steampunk?

Will it be a steampunk setting? Airships, mechanical computers, that sort of thing?

I think a steampunk setting for a Vampyre movie would work wonderful.

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David Jansson June 21, 2010 16:08 Flag

You know what they say, Steampunk is kind of like "Goths discover brown".

Angela R. June 15, 2010 16:03 Flag

I'd like a bit of steampunk in it, too... as long as one does not overdo it...

David Jansson June 15, 2010 12:02 Flag

What about mechanical semi-magical computers?

Kalle Max Hofmann June 15, 2010 10:31 Flag

I think every post-apocalyptic film has to go in the direction of steampunk... after all, high technology cannot be reproduced without factories, ressources and experts... So stuff like cars, automatic weapons and radio will probably be around for quite some time, but no computers, mobile phones or even TV...

Personally I'm not a big fan of 1900s design, so don't expect any prussian beards or the like ;P

Daniel Saarimäki June 15, 2010 08:03 Flag

I don't know. I don't know does it fit to this movie. It's worth trying though.

David Jansson June 14, 2010 18:52 Flag

Just a little?

Daniel Saarimäki June 14, 2010 16:56 Flag

Yeah, but it should be dark steampunk. Classic brown color theme won't work.

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Kalle Max Hofmann June 20, 2010 20:38 Flag

Alright I watched LXG again now, too... had remembered it much better though... somehow, its almost the same as Van Helsing. Interestingly enough, it also has the same rating on imdb (5.5) and both films star Richard Roxburgh as the villain... which isn't the best idea in either case ;P

But really funny; I couldn't remember there were vampires in either film! So that definitely refreshed my memory and it is a proof of vampire's stealth skills ;P

Kalle Max Hofmann June 19, 2010 23:49 Flag

Michael I didn't meen the quality of the CGI, but the concepts of the effects. A human ripping his skin off to reveal werewolf fur underneath is kinda silly, and "naked" vampire brides wearing some kind of over-painted bras are just WTF. Also I really hate the effect of extending jaws, be it of animatronic or CGI make... this just looks stupid and abolutely not scary. Just my two cents of course ;P

And sure, the setting is kinda medieval but I think these mountain villages don't change much. If you imagine some rebels running around there with parkas and M16s, it could be a nice contrast ;P

Michael Schubert June 17, 2010 06:44 Flag

Actually, i liked Van Helsing when it came out. The CGI is of course not the best, but keep in mind that the movie is from 2004 ... . But, don't you think that the setting is a bit too medieval?
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Something i saw some minutes ago by having an eye on the E3 is this. It's a game, not a movie, but i think the setting somehow could fit:

http://www.play3.de/2010/06/17/konami-enthullt-neverdead-inkl-video/

Kalle Max Hofmann June 16, 2010 23:05 Flag

Jeez I watched Van Helsing again... it took three sittings to get through! From my memory, I had thought nothing ever happens in the film and it was just talkey talk all the time... but on the contrary, it was just a series of action scenes with hardly any coherent story... they definitely should have left out Frankenstein's Monster and Mr. Hyde, that was just too much. And the vampire and werewolf effects didn't work for me either. The vampire brides in "flight mode" reminded me of the 80s kids movie "Ronja Rövardotter"... only there, the flying witches were at least really naked ;P

Have to agree though that the overall look of the film would fit our production pretty well, also the "feel" of that creepy village was nice :D

Kalle Max Hofmann June 12, 2010 14:36 Flag

Yeah I've always liked the "League", while most people criticize it for looking like a video game... Can't see anything wrong with that ;P

Van Helsing is boring but I have it in HD so I might as well give it a second look - at least it's got Kate Beckinsale 8D

VHD:B looks kinda trippy... got to check the local videostore for a copy!

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Roy Fowler June 12, 2010 02:31 7 Thumb-ups
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Going Underground!

I like the idea that the humans will move underground when night begins, giving up the hard to defend (battle damaged?) and to control surface. As they have been fighting for a while, maybe the initial thought was of single, secure safe zones underground, that expaneded as the war went on. And now you can have huge city wide interconnected secret "strongholds" built below seemingly ordinary buildings and with hidden entrances.

One way in, one way out? (Which could be used to highten scenes where people need to get in before it closes or are under attack?) And of course this also gives another sub plot in that not only are they fighting each other, but the vamps are looking for their human hiding place and they are also unsure of human numbers?

This linking of "strongholds" via tunnels allows human "hunting" units to move and attack the vamps (using 40s steampunk style night vision goggles?) without exposure to the night where the vamps work best. Here you could have the main human lead be in charge of the best "vampers" unit, where his unit still only use knives, swords etc to fight?

When they capture vamps you can hold them deep inside the strongholds. I also think that a great moment of torture (if torture can ever be called great of course), is where you have a vamp strapped onto a chair/table and a button is pressed that causes a series of mirrors to move. One after the other until we see a screen pulling back on the surface and a big mirror reflects light back down this track of mirrors until the final beam hits the vamp! (its been used before in one or two films, egyptians used reflective discs to get light into building projects i believe).

I think it could also offer some good wordplay for when the Humans and Vamps meet/talk. The vamps finding it ironic than when they live at night, the humans slink off underground, just like the vamps do, and maybe as they both seek the earth for protection, maybe they are not so different after all etc etc?

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Kalle Max Hofmann June 17, 2010 12:21 Flag

Sleeping disease is another interesting idea; after all we still need a plot device involving some evil, tide-turning war plans ;D

Roy Fowler June 17, 2010 07:36 Flag

I agree with you KMH. I would only use the underground as a part plot/visual aid. For equally as much time will be spent by the humans on the surface looking for the base of the vamps, checking if the vamps have left traps for the humans, as well as, in return, setting traps for the vamps.

Would the humans need to seek food/water/resources etc?

Maybe the vamps find the humans food/water stores and decide to infect/destroy them? How if the vamps have created a "sleeping sickness" virus that allows humans to stay alive, but become as if asleep, which renders the humans useless as fighters but good for vamp use?

Cheers!

Kalle Max Hofmann June 16, 2010 23:07 Flag

Have to agree; that's really a good idea to create some atmosphere of claustrophobia and desperation. Somewhat like the flashbacks (or should that be "flash-forwards"?) from the first Terminator.

Still I don't think the whole film should play underground; that would be too boring and it's hard to give an impression of passing time without exterior shots...

Michael Schubert June 12, 2010 10:43 Flag

Some screenhots from game "Metro2033" that could fit to Roys idea:
http://www.metro2033game.com/screenshots/screenshots
Of course, we should add more gothic feeling to it, occult symbols on the walls, statues etc.

Michael Schubert June 12, 2010 10:32 Flag

OMG! I like every single idea you came up with here! And i could imagine that Kalle would love to here that most of scenes could take place in the underground (according to the small budget). This is just great, a whole new movie unwraps before my eyes. All thumbs up!
Steampunk!

Richard Caldwell June 12, 2010 05:58 Flag

Oh yes! And maybe the actual sunrise and sunset times could have an extra symbolic meaning for both humans and vamps, as those would be the times of day when they are most prone to crossing paths.

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Michael Schubert June 12, 2010 11:11 6 Thumb-ups
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Reference material ...

... i just came across this website:

http://seehere.blogspot.com/2005/01/abandoned-2.html

It's a collection of links to other sides, showing abandonded places all over the world. Some interesting links there could be:

http://www.cityeyesphoto.com/blog/2008/02/25/urban-exploration/

http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2008/06/19/the-underground-moscow/

http://weburbanist.com/2009/03/01/deserted-europe-20-hauntingly-abandoned-buildings/

http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2008/09/09/the-end-of-the-empire/

There are also a lot of pictures like this - very beautiful, in my opinion. All three images are taken from this website:
http://www.marchandmeffre.com/

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Kalle Max Hofmann June 12, 2010 15:35 Flag

Sure... still I can tell you from experience, that it's best to have as many original photos as possible ^_^
Well maybe someone can start writing to the hosters of these photos if it would be possible to go there again and make a couple hundreds more of'em :D

Michael Schubert June 12, 2010 15:29 Flag

Ahm, in fact i thought you guys OWN an airline to bring all of us to these nice places ...
I was looking for some gothic-PA-like settings, especially after i read about his underground-idea. Just to get a feeling for the setting. Maybe we can use those images to paint our own backgrounds, or find some similar places in our neighbourhood. They don't have to be ruins right now - thats why they invented photoshop!

Kalle Max Hofmann June 12, 2010 14:28 Flag

Wow, really awesome stuff! Now we'd only need a billion airline miles to send someone with a big camera to all these locations... and cover them in the way we need to turn them into our sets ^_^

Hannu Hoffrén June 12, 2010 12:43 Flag

Very nice images! Those are screaming for some parallax animation made with camera mapping. :)

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