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Vampyre Skills & Weaknesses

Created at June 11, 2010
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To get things a little better organised, I've decided to split up the old tasks. Let's start over in this tasks what "our" vampires - The Vampyres - are supposed to have for skills and weaknesses.

So please give a shot for each "classical" vampire attribute you would like to be considered, and then people can start discussing the pro&cons.

Of course, examples from films/books/etc are very welcome, as well as your own pros&cons :D


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Aaronson Isaiah Boodram December 28, 2010 23:52 2 Thumb-ups
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Vampires Skills and Weakness

Vampires should have like Super Hearing and could be able to see Far away also a good Sense of smell. As for Weakness a special made sword like seen in the poster .

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Tiia Porkka September 18, 2010 08:23 4 Thumb-ups
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Light

It would be super if light didn't kill the vampires, but hurt like HELL!!

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Tiia Porkka October 24, 2010 10:10 Flag

No, I didn't mean it as a joke, it would be cool if they were actually in pain! : D

(null) October 21, 2010 21:29 Flag

You mean as a sort of joke, playing around with cliches? We think they're finished but they're actually just in extreme pain?

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Carl L. September 01, 2010 20:21 1 Thumb-up
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How aboot a Virus?

The Vampyres are infected with a virus that changes their metabolism and/or gives them access to magic.

They have all the classic powers, and weaknesses/disfigurements (i.e. bald, long fingers, etc.) depending on their viral-strain.

The sometimes quite drastic changes to their body cause a sort of rift between it and their soul/self/essence/life-force whatever you can call it.

They need to feed on their victims life-force which they ritualistically do via drinking their blood.

A few powerful vampyres may have found out that they can bypass the ritual aspect, and simply feast on negative emotions, mainly fear, literally scaring their victims to death.

This is a sort of sci-fy/magic crossover solution, loosely based on http://wiki.dumpshock.com/index.php/HMHVV

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Daniel Saarimäki September 04, 2010 14:30 Flag

yeah. Making vampyres insane could be good idea if vampyres would have only a side role, but this is a Vampyre Princess movie after all...

Carl L. September 04, 2010 14:16 Flag

I think giving them a choice makes for better character identification for the audience. And for better storytelling.

Why do you think the New Moon series sold so well? Certainly not due to it's rich plotline...

Daniel Saarimäki September 04, 2010 13:43 Flag

Usually when a human is infected, he becomes insane, so nobody really has to think those moral choices.

If he isn't insane and he just has those powers without any cost, it is even more boring (virus is a bad excuse for powers)

What if the vampyres are just zombies but with all the vampyre abilities? No brains. Just power and fury. ^^ Humans are hiding on the tunnels because the other world is full of infected humans (vampyre).

Carl L. September 04, 2010 11:52 Flag

Yes, the virus idea is an old, but proven idea.
It works well in any modern setting, and makes most vampiric traits more beleivably explainable.

Infected humans don't die & come back undead, their 'sickness' gives them many new abilities with huge benefits, at the cost of equally huge (or worse) drawbacks.

A turned human is faced with a moral choice:

Will he view his state as a curse, or as a blessing?

Will he view it as a sickness to be cured, or as a chance to restart his life?

Will he embrace his power, and let the hunger overwhelm him, to become a monster of legend?

Will he despair, hiding his predicament, suppressing his urges, only to slip into a frenzy when the hunger gets too strong?

Will he use his newly gained powers in defence of others (good or bad folks here) i.e. his family, or his new vampire buddies?

I'm sure we can come up with a few more paths the new vampire might take...

@Kalle: Pic is from the wiki (right-click image, view properties)

Daniel Saarimäki September 03, 2010 17:54 Flag

Isn't virus a bit old idea? Though it's rarely used with vampyres...

Kalle Max Hofmann September 01, 2010 20:39 Flag

Incredible what kinds of wikis are out there ;D
Well I guess if there's supposed to be a "medical" explanation, it has to do something with mutation, and this can definitely be done by a virus altering DNA or something... I'll better consult some experts though ;P

Nice pic BTW, where's that from? We could well use some more concept artwork ^_^

Thierry Gschwind September 01, 2010 20:26 Flag

Wasn't that done in Blade ?

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Lovro Srebrni? September 02, 2010 18:43 1 Thumb-up
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vampyre skills

I was thinking about her super powers. When she is over attacked, her alter ego could take over and she could get berserk and become unstoppable.

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Jad Nohra August 08, 2010 19:34 4 Thumb-ups
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Holy water: the well guarded secret of the human priests

Holy water burns the skin of vampires like acid and is harmless to humans.
Priests have used their ability to make holy water to give themselves a powerful position in the human society.

The well guarded secret however is that there is nothing holy about the water they provide, it is the work of alchemy, silver is used in it's making along with other chemicals, this is why vampires also think that it is the holiness of the water that makes it so powerful. They can touch normal silver without problems so they cannot conclude that holy water has the same effect as something they know.

The church is against alchemy and prosecutes anybody who engages in it, and that is because they do not want anybody to stumble on their secret.

Maybe this can play a role in the development of the plot or subplot.

(this be my first shot ever ... heart shivers)

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Charles Anderson September 02, 2010 15:58 Flag

There's always the "there just are vampires", and no explanation is entered into.

The audience's imagination will fill in the gaps.

There is a lot of vampire information out there.

You ask anyone about vampires and they will have their own opinion.

Kalle Max Hofmann September 01, 2010 20:45 Flag

The reason why there are vampires will not be in the focus of the story. Still we're thinking about trying something new... It will stay supernatural of course, but maybe not as superstitous as some of the classical vampire traits.

Charles Anderson August 30, 2010 02:27 Flag

So this vampire flick will be about a virus, and not a supernatural cause?

Jad Nohra August 09, 2010 16:23 Flag

gotcha!

Kalle Max Hofmann August 09, 2010 16:20 Flag

I think you misread my comment, so I have rephrased it a bit by means of the edit button ^_^

My meaning was: Atheists won't think that holy water will work, but giving a scientific explanation like you did will satisfy them. Just as I tried to do with some other vampire traits in my story...

Jad Nohra August 09, 2010 15:02 Flag

I quote "This is a way to show that things aren't always what they seem and even less what people tell you" from Story development.

Kalle Max Hofmann August 09, 2010 10:33 Flag

Good idea in order to keep the film believable for atheists...

And don't be nervous about giving shots - we're all throwing ideas around here and I don't think anyone was ever offended ;P

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Roy Fowler June 12, 2010 02:52 4 Thumb-ups
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Vamp stuff

Ok, call me old fashioned, but i do like the classic vamps skills and weaknesses.

If we are going to play the film in a sort of goth hybrid location, then lets have vamps that hate sunlight and can die through it, holy water, but it must come from a baptismal font which limits supply. Could this also mean that priests are held in isolation by humans for what they offer as a weapon? If the font also has to be refilled and blessed, this also becomes a time when the vamps know where the humans, and their priests, will be. This offers them a regular target and tracking opportunity?

Crucifixes have limited power (burns skin on contact, but little else).

They cannot walk on holy ground, but the ground cannot just be "created" and made holy ground by beign blessed (maybe it is the prayer, devotions etc, built up over centuries that define the strength of the bar "holy ground" gives vamps?).

This might aid in storlines when X holy ground will give you shelter for a full night, no worries, yet another holy ground location can be entered by a strong vamp (but causes him discomfort) but will allow a fight to take place with a hiding human, which also makes it a more equal fight?

Swords/knives could be used to kill vamps through beign cooled whislt still red hot in holy water which impregnates itself in the blade? Maybe this is also done whilst saying prayers throughout the process or something that may make these blades special and so there are only a few around?

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Charles Anderson August 30, 2010 02:30 Flag

The medieval (European) vampires, had control over their blood flow. This meant that if they lost a limb, it wouldn't kill them, as they could divert the blood away from that area.

This explains why only removing the head or destroying the heart can stop a vampire.

They need to drink blood because they are dead and cannot make their own.

Angela R. July 31, 2010 10:31 Flag

> a medical explanation for vampyre might
> and the need to drink blood.

Hmm... sci-fi vampires. Now THAT's interesting.

Makes me think of "I am Legend", by the way.

Anyhow... perhaps some gone-wrong genetic experiment to guarantee longevity (or fruit of some mad scientists' work) would make more sense than a random mutation in the X-Men style?

Kalle Max Hofmann June 20, 2010 10:38 Flag

Some great ideas there, Roy - and in the middle of the night, too ;D

Maybe the cross thing could just be an inherited reflex - Like cats get startled by hissing sounds. Could be for example in times when vampires first came into existence, priests were also mages and were the only ones who had the power to destroy them. So the visual symbol of the cross always scares a vampyre into a brief moment of shock, until he realises it's nothing and can continue. So the cross would not be a real weapon, but could still save your life, or turn the tide in battle.

Of course "our" myth of vampyre creation could also be some kind of red line throughout the film and the full explanation of their creation and thus the reasons for their attributes, could be a big revelation near the end of the film (ie before the final battle hehhe).

That's why we changed the spelling of "vampire" in the first place; to give a hint that "our" creatures are something slighty different ; )

Roy Fowler June 20, 2010 03:12 Flag

Ok KMH, If you are looking for a reboot, then how about we try to combine the cross and medical?

For instance, vamp blood simply "moves" faster through their bodies. It gives them almost superhuman speed because the blood flows ultra quick to muscles and to the brain, which hightens their senses etc. The blood is also "burned off" (like human fat) through activity and needs "topping up" after a period of time because they do not make new blood through bone marrow and the liver (through eating food as humans do). So they have to kill, not everyday, but as and when (Like low blood sugar fix?)

Lets also say that the first "Europeans" who came into contact with them were at a time when the Christian church was everywhere. A priest was attacked in his church but in his defence he stabbed the vamp with a nearby silver altar cross? It was in effect, the silver that killed him, not the cross. But of course, the church pushed this as a sign in the truth of their God? So the myth was born.

So could silver be the one cataylist that "superheats" vamp blood to such a point as to cause death to the vamp?

Sunlight in plants causes photosynthesis, which is used to create glucose (sugar). Maybe as vamps dont get their enegry from food, they are more like plants? If so, direct sunlight could quickly turn vamp blood to glucose that simply burns itself up from the inside, like a stoked fire burns super hot?

Cheers!

Kalle Max Hofmann June 19, 2010 23:53 Flag

It's of course a general question if we want to keep the religious background of vampire myths. I'm pretty tired of hearing the line "What, a cross? That only works on vampires in movies!" in every second vampire film. A possibility would be to leave out the "superstitions" altogether and come up with a medical explanation for vampyre might and the need to drink blood. So in a way, it would be a reboot of the whole vampire theme ;P

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Glen Williams June 24, 2010 16:27 4 Thumb-ups
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While we're speaking of Stoker...

I'm not certain I'm remembering this correctly, but I seem to recall that Stoker's vampires weren't killed by sunlight -- that the sunlight merely prohibited their more supernatural powers. No shapeshifting in the sun, normal strength, and the like. That always seemed better to me than the old, "Step into sunlight, burn up instantly" bit.

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Charles Anderson August 30, 2010 02:25 Flag

Like all dead things, sunlight is not good for them. This is why they come out at night.

Kalle Max Hofmann June 24, 2010 17:30 Flag

I also prefer the recent tendency of having only a very slow burn at first - as seen in "Thirst" or "Underworld" for example. I agree though that it would also be possible to just lessen their powers in sunlight, so they just don't go out when they're vulnerable... As long as most of the film can still be set at night ;P

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Robert Goodfellow June 21, 2010 23:23 6 Thumb-ups
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Faith

"You need FAITH for that to work on me, Boy!"

How can on forget that classic line from Fright Night.

The act of using a cross or any holy symbol should be an act of Faith on the part of the user, not a factor of crosses. What is important is the FAITH behind the object, not the object itself.

For example, a priest who molests little boys wouldn't hold a vampire at baywith a cross , but a certified Nutcase ex-CIA operative who has absolute faith in the America could wrap himself up in the American Flag and run through a crowd of vampires, knowing with absolute Certainty that his Jingoism will protect him.

Also, If the faith of the person is what powers the objects, an area can 'soak up' faith, if enough people go there or believe in it. The creation of Holy Ground would be dependent of activity of an area. An active church vrs an abandoned one. But one really faithful person could 're-activate' an area and push all the vampires off, but only as long as he concentrated.

OOo! If you wanted to get REALY CHEESY, one could use the True Faith angle as the rational for True Love and have some sort of Climatic Moment where True Love conquors all by allowing sheer force of will to allow someone to MELT a vampire with a touch, or cure them, or something of that nature.

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Charles Anderson August 30, 2010 02:24 Flag

A righteous man cannot be harmed by a vampire. The only way to be harmed is to fall under the temptation of a vampire.

When you are bitten by a vampire it hurts forever.

Kalle Max Hofmann August 12, 2010 08:40 Flag

Hmm I watched Fright Night recently, and even though your post makes sense, in the film it makes no sense at all. Sometime it works for one character, but the next time around, it doesn't... It doesn't become clear if the user has to have faith in god, in himself, in crosses working in general or whatever. But since that film is really rather silly unless you're a kid in the eighties, it doesn't matter (sorry guys, I didn't see it back then so I stick to Ghostbusters, hehhe) ;P

Let's just remember your shot is a good idea, but forget about Fright Night ^_^

Angela R. July 31, 2010 09:59 Flag

Very remarkable observation. Makes a lot of sense... and it's a thumb up from me. 8)

David Jansson June 26, 2010 14:53 Flag

This reminds me of Serenity. When Book talks about faith.

Kalle Max Hofmann June 24, 2010 17:32 Flag

That's a pretty good point. Could also be worked into some kind of "message" the film should definitely have ^_^

Michael Schubert June 22, 2010 15:10 Flag

Great! That brings me to the point that maybe the Vampyres try to get rid of all priests=true believers, while the humans try to find and protect the last ones of those keepers of that ancient believe.

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Mathias Jürgens June 21, 2010 13:56 6 Thumb-ups
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Garlic

The idea of fighting vampyres with garlic is a thing I couldn't understand even when I was a child. I don't think, you should not use things like garlic-extract-filled-bullets or garlic gas like some "modern romanpire movies" do.

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Charles Anderson August 30, 2010 02:22 Flag

The reason Vampires don't like garlic is that it purifies the blood.

Vampires being corrupt beings this wards them away.

The garlic flower is a symbol of purity.

Jad Nohra August 09, 2010 14:15 Flag

I am imagining a royal feast with 2 naked human women on 2 tables (or preferably another exotic posture), one surrounded by very nice looking unpeeled garlic (and maybe one in her mouth?) and another one for dessert with liquid chocolate. A vampire kid asking his royal mom, mommy can i have some chocolate blood? Yes dear, but have some garlic first, it will make you grow fast and become strong like your daddy.

Carl L. August 09, 2010 14:06 Flag

How about that the heightened senses of some vampyres just overreact to the stench.
Not all are affected, and you definitely need a huge dose.

This can easily be overcome by a gasmask if they just want to kill you, but may hinder *some* vampyres at feeding.

Then again, maybe there's one who prefers his humans doused in garlic...

Kalle Max Hofmann August 09, 2010 10:29 Flag

Welcome, Jad ^_^

And that scene you described could be called "The Last Supper" ; )

Jad Nohra August 08, 2010 19:11 Flag

I think we should go the other way round, at some time when viewers start to wonder about what weapons human use against vampires, we have a scene where vampires are having a meal, with extra garlic, cause they love it.

(and this be my first comment here ever)

Angela R. July 31, 2010 15:55 Flag

Hey, that works! Another fine idea by KMX... 8)

Kalle Max Hofmann July 31, 2010 15:05 Flag

This is definitely the most discussed topic ;P
Another way to go about it - since it is a fictional world - is they have some kind of acid they *call* garlic - even though it's more like alien blood than spice ; )

Like somebody says - "let's use garlic!" then throws some kind of liquid bomb that melts half of the room away, to the viewer's surprise ;D

Thierry Gschwind July 31, 2010 11:50 Flag

There could be substances in garlic, which are toxic/allergic for vampires.
It happens that certain stuff can be beaten by certain animals, but are extremely toxic to other.

David Jansson July 31, 2010 11:12 Flag

Angela, regardless, it would work as a diversionary tactic, on human and vampire alike.

Angela R. July 31, 2010 09:57 Flag

I still cannot help thinking that garlic gas grenades may be an interesting weapon to fight / hold off vampires. But of course, it all depends from the general seriousness of the movie... 8)

David Jansson July 14, 2010 13:21 Flag

I like Bill Comptons way of putting it.

"What about garlic?"
"No. It's annoying, but not dangerous."

Maybe Garlic does keep vampires away, just that it isn't any different from when your friends keep their distance when you have had loads of it. Not lethal, just smelly. And vampires do tend to have heightened senses.

The garlic myth probably got started when someone wanted to discourage their father in law from visiting and did it by putting up droves of smelly garlic.

Carl Morys July 14, 2010 11:33 Flag

Even in Blade 3 they use garlic and it works! But I agree thats very stupid... better not use it!

Daniel Saarimäki June 22, 2010 11:48 Flag

Totally agree ^^

Robert Goodfellow June 21, 2010 23:29 Flag

I think garlic is a bad idea.

Daniel Saarimäki June 21, 2010 17:09 Flag

XD

David Jansson June 21, 2010 17:01 Flag

Actually, not just your breath. If you eat a lot of it all of you stink of garlic, it's in your sweat. (I know from repeated experience. I tend to put about two clefts of raw garlic in my meat sauce after I have cooked it. Also, if I eat this amount of garlic for a few days in a row, my beard smells of garlic when it gets wet for a week or so.)

Daniel Saarimäki June 21, 2010 16:29 Flag

Yeah, but eating Garlic makes your breath smell terrible XD

David Jansson June 21, 2010 16:17 Flag

Well, to vampires you would be.

Daniel Saarimäki June 21, 2010 16:11 Flag

Eating garlic won't make you poisonous but makes everybody else act like you would be :)

David Jansson June 21, 2010 16:04 Flag

Yes, it's quite silly. I mean, you could just make yourself poisonous by eating a garlic each day.

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Niklas Lehtinen June 21, 2010 15:13 4 Thumb-ups
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Silver, Streaming water, and the Senses of the Vampires

Of course we have to remember silver. In some books and mythologies, vampires can only be hurt with silver weapons. But I think silver is more for Werewolfs and I have been thinking, that the Iron is the metal that can hurt vampires. I can't remember now, where I have heard this, but it makes sense somehow.

I think that the lake or something can't stop vampire, but river can if it's fastly streaming. And Oceans can also, because the salt water.

The Senses of the Vampires.
Vampires has über senses compered to humans. They are like cats, they can see, hear, smell, taste far more better than humans. They also are quick and silent killers. They make no sound if they don't want.

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J. R. Smith August 14, 2010 20:02 Flag

what if garlic/silver etc... (or any other substance) acts as a nuro-toxin or narcotic/hallucinogenic to some vampyres? perhaps only the ones with certain abilities are affected at all or different abilities react differently to anything. i.e. to vamps with enhanced sense of smell garlic is fatal at almost any dose but to vamps with empathic abilities or whatever are completely unaffected by garlic or it just gets them high. Hmm... i wonder if there would be underground garlic dealers and garlic addicts in the vamp communities. :)

Carl L. August 09, 2010 14:08 Flag

Iron is for elves, iirc.

Kalle Max Hofmann August 01, 2010 19:41 Flag

Well in True Blood, vampires are so allergic to silver it burns their skin. I think that's not even too far fetched, as some humans are also pretty allergic to silver ;P

Still using silver bullets definitely is not for Vampyres. The bullets are supposed to rip you apart, not give you a skin rash ;D

Niklas Lehtinen June 22, 2010 13:51 Flag

I said the Silver is for werewolfs.
I suggested a Iron.
And for streaming water, okay maybe not, but oceans, definetly yes.

Daniel Saarimäki June 22, 2010 12:08 Flag

Silver is for werewolves, streaming water sounds weird and Senses of vampires have to be brilliant. Otherwise they don't differ from the humans so much and they are ment to be top predators.

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