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Created at June 09, 2010
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Thierry Gschwind 3D Filming ?
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Please use this task for now to give your general thoughts, ideas and feedback on this project. A "story" task will be created shortly, but I think in the beginning, it's important everyone settles with a general idea of the film's supposed atmosphere and setting.


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Thierry Gschwind June 14, 2010 21:15 3 Thumb-ups
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3D Filming ?

Have you already thought how to film the movie in 3D ? I 've read some stuiff about, it's not that easy as just putting two cameras up and filming.
Unless it's completely CGI.

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Kalle Max Hofmann November 06, 2010 16:48 Flag

True it doesn't have to be expensive to work... but it has to be expensive to look expensive ;D
Shooting with a rig like that makes the extensive post-production we need for Vampyre Princess impossible, even shooting with a Canon gives far too little image information for keying, and using mirrors amplifies this problem by about 5-10.
Anyway, my general opinion is that converted 3D - if done correctly - can work better than stuff that has really been shot in stereo - unless you have know-how and funds on a Avatar level.

Still, thanks for posting these interesting links =)

Kalle Max Hofmann June 15, 2010 10:36 Flag

No, we will definitely not film stereoscopically as this is a giant mess which can only be tackled with a monstrous budget. I think it isn't even worth it, as even in Avatar, a good deal of the scenes have the "cardboard" effect. I don't think that that's a problem though, the 3D effect can be quite convincing anyways - like in the first sequence of "Alice", which was "only" a conversion. Of course you have to do the conversion right and not mess up like with "Clash Of The Titans", but we have gained enough experience with Snowblind to guarantee that won't happen :D

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Hannu Hoffrén August 20, 2010 22:30 5 Thumb-ups
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Free webinar about stereo 3D filmmaking

I've been following these webinars at www.newmediawebinars.com and they've been interesting to watch. Now there's one topic I that I think people here at WaM and especially those following VP3D will be interested about: Stereo 3D Filmmaking Bootcamp. Check it out, it's free when viewed live. http://www.newmediawebinars.com/webinars/stereo-3d-filmmaking-bootcamp/

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Julius Tuomisto August 21, 2010 12:45 Flag

That's cool. Need to watch this one also if I can.

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Mathias Jürgens June 21, 2010 14:13 2 Thumb-ups
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Romance

The reason why I haven't seen vampire movies for a long time is that they are overloaded with teenage fantasies of gloomy romance. I prefere: Blood before Love! Less hearts, more guts!

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Angela R. July 31, 2010 10:07 Flag

Love-stories are daily life stuff. I mean... the ability to keep mating and reproducing is what eventually makes the difference in between any civilization's survival or annihilation. So it makes sense for some romance to be included in any story with an appearance of realism

But still, agreed. Would be nice if teenage fantasies and extreme cheesiness could be avoided. Or be purposely made laughable if included.

*she acts all sweet to seduce him and then when he relaxes and looks at her like a lost puppy she just kills him. Well heck, what did you expect? Life's not like those silly teenage books. Silly humans.*

Daniel Saarimäki June 21, 2010 16:12 Flag

More GUNZ!

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Pasi Pitkänen June 09, 2010 22:21 2 Thumb-ups
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Atmosphere

I think we should try to make this dark and gritty as possible. There are too many flicks that have that comedy bit in the movie and that has spoiled many movies.

In a nutshell: Dark, gritty and not funny oneliners etc. :)

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Mathias Jürgens June 26, 2010 16:34 Flag

yep. Humour is totally overrated

Michael Schubert June 10, 2010 15:54 Flag

I'm on your side - definitely dark and gritty. The vampires are a threat, and thats what they should look like.

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Richard Caldwell June 11, 2010 07:03 3 Thumb-ups
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another consideration-

Why not remove the religious connotations from the stereotype of vampires? Specifically, nullifying the effects of crosses and holy water. By removing those weaknesses, the vampires would be that much more unstoppable, while also doing that much less to alienate any non-Christian members from the prospective audience.
So the horror may not be "PG", it can still be "PC". heh.

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Glen Williams June 24, 2010 16:21 Flag

I tend to agree with this idea. A movie that handled this well is the HK action/horror flick, "Vampire Effect," where very little dialogue concerns the vampires not being harmed by religious icons. Instead, they open the film with a scene where the vampires' leader buys a church and turns it into his new home.

An alternative to this would be to do what the Indian film "Bandh Darwaza" did, where vampires are repelled by all religious icons, regardless of what faith they belong to, but that would seem to make it impossible for them to go about in the modern world. Then again, I've always felt the same way about the aversion to crosses -- if any two pieces arranged in a cross formation can repel a vampire, there's nowhere they can go.

The second alternative is one that I can't remember a source for, although I'm sure it's not my original idea. The vampire (who in this case would need to have once been human) is repelled by sacred objects, but only by objects they held sacred in their lives prior to becoming vampires. So a vampire who had been Christian would be repelled by a cross, while it would have no effect on a vampire who had been Hindu, Muslim, or Buddhist in their previous life.

Pasi Pitkänen June 11, 2010 09:05 Flag

I agree with this.

Hannu Hoffrén June 11, 2010 08:55 Flag

True Blood is just running in TV here in Finland and it has made exactly what Richard suggested. They seem to have separated the religious stuff from vampires, but the "physical" stuff still remains. So, the crosses & holy water won't do anything, but, sun, silver & wooden sticks will still hurt 'em. I like the idea.

Michael Schubert June 11, 2010 08:16 Flag

Thats a good point, i think. If the story takes place in a parallel universe, there is no need for christian mythology. Maybe they replaced it with some kind of shamanic rituals ... .
But somehow i would like to see finishing moves with a stake ... ;-)

Daniel Saarimäki June 11, 2010 08:12 Flag

So the humans just hide somewhere?

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Peter Vesterbacka June 15, 2010 16:51 3 Thumb-ups
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Merchandizing and product placements

Would be good to start thinking about all that now. What else is needed besides t-shirts adn plastic vampire teeth? Vampyre Princess pin-up posters? Action figures? Garlic?

And what products / brands should be in the movie?

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Michael Schubert June 16, 2010 04:41 Flag

@Kalle: Not to forget Coke - as to be seen in the PA-movie THE ROAD (and in the novel as well) ... ;-)
The comic of course is NO product placement, but a good way of promotion, to get in contact with those geeks who somehow missed the news about this great new film ...

Kalle Max Hofmann June 15, 2010 21:52 Flag

A graphic novel prequel is a great idea, there'll surely be a lot of story options! Only question is though, how does this help us with product placement? Hehhe ;P

And about that, it's of course a little problematic that we're going to have a rather post-apocalyptic setting again... So probably it'd be good to go for brands that advertise with the "indestructicble" mythos, like Levi's, Range Rover, Jules Jurgensen watches or something the like...

Peter Vesterbacka June 15, 2010 17:32 Flag

Agree! A comic book would be great! And the nice thing is that it would be very cheap to make copies of it too. Now we just need some talented comic artists....

Michael Schubert June 15, 2010 17:09 Flag

I would love to see a graphic novel come to life, maybe as a prequel of the story told in the movie. There are a lot of movies using this way of promotion, like the forthcoming "Predators" (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=35689).
My drawing skills are not THAT good, but i can guarantee that i would do the whole lettering AND coloring job by myself!
So, is there a comic artist out there? PLEASE!!!!

Peter Vesterbacka June 15, 2010 17:06 Flag

I'll personally help make it happen. This time we are early enough in the process, so we can start contacting some companies and brands before the shooting has begun.

Maybe create a task right away for product placements, or Acting Products as I would like to describe it. What products do we want to have acting in the movie? Has to be products and brands that fit in naturally. And much better that we think about that first and only then contact the brands we want.

And don't underestimate the power of Snowblind, this time around you can show that you have actually made a movie before. Should do wonders for your credibility;-)

Kalle Max Hofmann June 15, 2010 16:54 Flag

So far, all PP agencies we have adressed for Snowblind reacted with a counterquestion: "Which big names are in the film?" so either we have to assemble a star-sudded cast first, or we need to find some friendlier agencies ;D

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Richard Caldwell June 11, 2010 04:51 3 Thumb-ups
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something I've thought about before

The idea of vamps being only bloodsuckers always bothered me, as it stems from the archaic belief that blood is liquid soul, or the water of life.
I think, that vamps would be less romantic, and far more monstrous, if instead of looking to suck a victim's neck, they instead aimed to bite a chunk from it. Vamps should be all-out cannibals.

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Daniel Saarimäki June 12, 2010 16:20 Flag

@ Michael: Yeah, and only movie I have watched is Terminator 3 :P

Kalle Max Hofmann June 12, 2010 14:41 Flag

Sure, but as you see from your own examples, they don't have to look brutal or gross for that... I think vampires are scary enough by needing to feed off the living to survive. If the first scene is a battle where both sides kill without mercy, I think it'll be pretty clear that they have such a deep grudge that working together is almost impossible ^_^

Michael Schubert June 12, 2010 14:35 Flag

@ Daniel: interesting movies with a main character that just goes and kills:
Terminator 1-4, Geronimo, all Dirty-Harry-Movies, Rambo, Blade ...

I think you are right, at a certain point, the main characters will unite and overcome the struggle between the two races ( at least for themselves), but to make that work, you first have to make clear that a union like this is almost impossible. And than you have to ask: WHY is it impossible, and that's why i think the secret lies in giving the Vampyres a monstrous, ghoulish background. Maybe only as a myth, as they find out later ...
Overcoming the archetype - like in WestSideStory, Romeo & Juliet, but with a lot of ammo ...

Kalle Max Hofmann June 12, 2010 14:26 Flag

Well I'm afraid have to insist that the "Royal Vampyres" are human-like nobles, would be a bit hard otherwise to have a heroine people can identify and/or fall in love with ;P

Still it's possible that either humans or vampyres do some genetic research or unholy experiments to create monsters they can use as soldiers or guards. I think those head-splitters from Blade 2 are too much over the top though... So probably they'd be somewhat like the badguys from 30 Days Of Night.

BTW creating this type of creature could even be part of the "evil scheme" the Princess and the Commander uncover once they start working together... I think this has already been used in another film though, anyone remember which one that was?

Daniel Saarimäki June 12, 2010 13:50 Flag

I understand you, but how are you going to make a interesting movie, if the main character just goes and kills?

Richard Caldwell June 12, 2010 01:43 Flag

@Daniel-
I just wondered how making the differences between mortals and vamps all the more distinct- would that then make any union between the two all the more dramatic?

Jack Malinowski June 11, 2010 08:35 Flag

great point - vampires are top predators...

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how much do they need to eat a - day - week - month?

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this is very important... going swimming with sharks - one thing - going swimming with starving sharks - something else...

Daniel Saarimäki June 11, 2010 08:11 Flag

Remember, that the main character is a vampyre. If they are just monsters, the movie should tell about the humans attacked by the vampyres.

Michael Schubert June 11, 2010 05:05 Flag

YESSSS!

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Pasi Pitkänen June 11, 2010 09:01 1 Thumb-up
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Jack's light

What if they could stand the light of day for a short period of time? Vampire only needs to drink the blood of a virgin in the dawn.

Weird idea I know..haha

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Pasi Pitkänen June 11, 2010 09:43 Flag

The True Blood thing could work also.

Hannu Hoffrén June 11, 2010 09:38 Flag

Haha, good one Angela!

But, Pasi, would it be more like they could be in the daylight without problems, or more like in True Blood, where sun will hurt them but not as fast as usually in movies? This reminded of the cool effect in True Blood, so decided to give a shot from the idea actually.
http://www.wreckamovie.com/shots/show/6681

Angela R. June 11, 2010 09:28 Flag

You know, I think that whole virgin blood thing is overrated. I mean... let's take a look at modern society. Would a species that requires drinking virgin blood to survive actually survive? ;)

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Daniel Saarimäki June 10, 2010 08:52 2 Thumb-ups
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Werewolves?

Werevolves are traditional enemies of the vampyres. Are you going to include them?

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Hannu Hoffrén June 11, 2010 09:04 Flag

Well, as the interface & logic in Blender may be a bit off (not too much) from the mainstream applications, at a first glance, it might make your brain hurt a bit, Kalle & Michael. But surely won't exceed your brain capacities :D

Will gladly help with Blender as much as I can though.

Michael Schubert June 11, 2010 06:26 Flag

Oh, i am sure that Hannu can do magic with Blender! Maybe he can give me some beginner-lessons ...

David Jansson June 10, 2010 22:55 Flag

Kalle, would you be interested if I have improved enough when the production gets that far?

Kalle Max Hofmann June 10, 2010 22:26 Flag

Well Michael, if you see the stuff our fellow wrecker Hannu got out of Blender, it's really possible to do production grade stuff with it! At the same time, it totally exceeds my brain capacity too ;P

Michael Schubert June 10, 2010 19:09 Flag

Blender ... i once opened it to make a simple 3D text. 2 hours later i deleted the programm ... . Seems that i am not intented to enter the third dimension ...

David Jansson June 10, 2010 18:58 Flag

KMH, I would love to try to do a werewolf in Blender once I get Stick wreck, and episode two, done. My current Blender creature design is a bit crappy, but i'm just at the beginning of the learning stage! :)

Kalle Max Hofmann June 10, 2010 15:37 Flag

Well, as you guys already hinted at, they are quite difficult to make - makeup/sfx-wise as well as full CG. So I think we're gonna exclude them for now... UNLESS somebody gives us really big bucks to spend on the film ^_^

Another (minor) thing is that probably some people would feel the film was to close to the underworld series...?

David Jansson June 10, 2010 10:46 Flag

Oh, sorry, with "you" i meant the production leader. I need to learn to be more clear...

Daniel Saarimäki June 10, 2010 09:41 Flag

I didn't mean I could make them. I haven't had time to make Sample for months, so how could I have time to make this?

David Jansson June 10, 2010 09:06 Flag

Can you afford to make werewolves? I would love to try and animate them if it weren't for the fact that full body fur is beyond the scope of what this computer handles...

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Jack Malinowski June 11, 2010 08:33 2 Thumb-ups
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light?

fatal non fatal?

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following up on caldwell's excellent point to make the vampires - as kalle suggested - 'noble' and immune to superstition.

in fact, i would think they would be experts in superstitions...

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but can they stand the light of day?

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