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The Iron Sky -team is looking for your ideas and comments. Join and show your support for Iron Sky. EARTH FLEET: Other countries?This task is closed
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Closing NoteThanks *everyone* for great shots and comments! We've had so far very good ideas, and will start designing the Earth Fleet ships based on your ideas. We're going to need further assistance later on, and we'll put more specific tasks as we move along. Great stuff! DescriptionEARTH FLEET: USA In Iron Sky, the Earth will stand up and defend itself against the Nazi enemy. In 2018, many of the countries have developed their space program - maybe in the shadows, maybe in open - to also be able to engage in a fight in the orbit or in deep space, if necessary. In this task, we need ideas for what the space ship of OTHER countries would look like? Who would have the tech - secret or public - to build one? Your country? Your neighbouring country? Something else? Be creative! We'd request everything from descriptions to concept drawings, from crude ideas to finalized artwork - whatever is your game. Few guidelines: - The film is set in 2018 - so don't get over-excited on tech!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venture_Star We've already discussed the weapons technology in the previous task: http://www.wreckamovie.com/tasks/show/52 Maybe reading through the thumbed-up -shots (you can sort them in the task) would give some
Included you'll find some concept art of stuff our concept artist Jussi has done. You may use them non-commercially and share them with others, but not claim them your own or charge money from them. Here's more info on the CC-license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/us/ As the licence in Iron Sky production requires, you need to give all the rights for derivative or original work you do for this task to the Iron Sky team for us being able to use them. Go for it, people! Let's design the greatest space fleet in the history of film! This task is closed. Shots Does Japan Come To Play?Well as we all know japan was allies with the the Nazis well are the going to be allies in 2018? Or maybe thats how japan is so technologically advanced in robotics. I don't know just something to think about.  Space Traffic?I wonder as to the kind of space traffic present in 2018? Is it more / less? Is it more / less secretive? military? or commercial? Have trips to zero gravity and 'space garbage awareness' replaced or joined such fashionable occasions as 'safari'? I would assume the gargantuan 'Waste Management' industry to have taken a large chunk out of the Space Budget Worldwide... The List
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States then seek to police the 'incorporated' space... Perhaps the Lunar Nazi Group sees this as a threat to air dominance. Also suborbital freight. There are developments in very fast transportation between continents. Will be high-coist so mostly used for couriering and military transportation.
There might actually be a fair amount of space tourism, as there are a number of companies now building craft specifically for recreational flights. Also there's even been talk of space tourist trips to the moon, not actually landing but just going round it. Apparently if you can get into Earth orbit it's not that difficult to go across to the Moon's orbit and back. So that's another form of space tourism that might actually exist in the near future.  CommentsPerhaps the Einhorningen might have been conceived as a 'Star Wars' project - a Stealth / Ballistic missile intercept - more reliable than a patriot missile platform. They can enter the Stratosphere and use boosters to hover, acting as a manual net of International Peacekeeping, coming out of the sun to stop Espionage / Violence : 'Fighters Without Borders' so to speak. It might be a labor intensive alternative a virtual net, but perhaps that would be the UN's goal... perhaps this Saab fighters mark the UN's predominance as a real-time peacekeeping deterring force? If this makes it into the final film? Will there be toys? Oh, and I renamed it Enhörningen (The unicorn) out of respect for Astrid Lindgren. She would be turning in her grave if she heard that a name from her books was use by a military craft, even if it is fictional... So please don't use the name Vildvittran if the design makes it into the final film? Wow! Though it lost it's retro thrusters, I keep feeling it will crush into something. But that's just me, being all logical. Can't help it. It looks killer. Yet, with a little creativity maybe you could get retro boosters without loosing the pointyness of the manoeuvring booster racks? My thoughts of the RJAS in action: http://www.wreckamovie.com/system/shot_medias/0000/1287/IronSkyR-JAS-Storyboard.png Jack: The original design only had the missiles on top of the wings, my thought was that they would be shielded there. But that doesn't stop you from putting stuff beneath that you jettison before re-entry (If you have any left). Just remember to put the most expensive missiles at the top rack. The base concept inpires me more an atmospheric fighter...
External Explosives? Wouldn't they explode reentering the atmosphere? Looks fast as a bullett! A nice design for a light interceptor. The sleek shape makes me wonder where all the fuel would go... Maybe it comes with reserve fuel tanks that are jettisoned just before the fight. Thanks!
I started wondering, whether there could/should be yet another thruster on top of the rudder, too? The rudder just looks so useless for spaceflight else. Also, the rudder might carry some weaponry as well. (Remember, in space aerodynamics doesn't really count. But don't ruin the great looks...) Beauuuuuutiful! :)  CommentsI can't comment on the fighter, they both look fine to me. Yes yes, what about the fighter? I think I should have placed the retro thrusters on the side rather than on top though. Would have made more sense for the zero G feel... LOL at the title, I thought we were going to see something horrible done to Yann... :D Spitfire Supersonic FighterA concept developed with Kris S.
CommentsWould be great to see some renders with both Spitfires and and nazi UFOs. I seriously can't think of a better vehicle to fight Space Nazi UFO's than Space Spitfires! Spitfires always bring back memories of my childhood Commando Comics (Korkeajännitys)... Yann, grand job realizing them! Damn, that looks pretty! It popped into my mind to suggest such a modern 'Spitfire' as well a couple of months ago, but I thought no one would pick it up and actually do something about it. Great thing Yann actually made it! Now, as you got into motion... Would it be possible to get similar modernized versions of IL-2 and Mustang, too? 'IL-2' looking heavily armored 'flying tank', which is hard to imagine getting off ground, but which can almost be shot against with nuclear arms without breaking once it does. And 'Mustang' sure would have the 'shark teeth' under its nose... Sorry Kris.
Okay Yann don't worry, if it's tricky it doesn't matter. David, "Are the ring of hole like textures at the nose cone and at the back of the cockpit manoeuvring thrusters?"
"If you wish, take a look at my space fighter concept. I think it has potential, but I didn't make such a refined painting as you did. Just a cople of very rough sketches. Please have a look."
Kris, "Yann I think it would be easiest to judge how this looks if the RAF colours were added to it."
Aggree on adding a touch of realism to make dogfights look cooler, to me i loved the fights in space:above & beyond, and this fighter has similarities to the hammerhead fighter earth uses in that series.
never been a big fan of the viper, x-wing etc, to me none of them look like dogfighters. This youtube video explains what I am talking about, with some beautifull examples from Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica and Space Above and beyond. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GihlZ0Mnq-k&feature=related Space dogfights actually get a lot, and I mean A LOT, cooler with a little reality thrown in. (Not too much though.) Yann I think it would be easiest to judge how this looks if the RAF colours were added to it. A classic spitfire colour scheme might be: Are the ring of hole like textures at the nose cone and at the back of the cockpit manoeuvring thrusters? Watch a space battle from the new Battlestar Galactica And you will understand how they can up the coolness factor of a space battle. If you wish, take a look at my space fighter concept. I think it has potential, but I didn't make such a refined painting as you did. Just a cople of very rough sketches. Please have a look. http://www.wreckamovie.com/system/shot_medias/0000/1275/StarWreckJAS2.png
Thanks for your comments! Objectively, it couldn't be a XXI century design.
Im Norwegian, and even I got the " ah, spitfire!!" reaction, when i read the description and saw the images. Not only is it a beautiful design, but the spit in itself is a symbol. How many have not dreamed of being in a dogfight flying one at some point as a kid(I sure did:-) For the 2018 designers motivation, well maybe they dicovered this was the optimal design and saw similarities between old/new immediately, and also realized the pr potential"Spitfire-The legend continues" To me, it doesn´t need any motivation..Just use it, guns blazing:-D Wow. Absolutely WOW. I have no words. :) I would guess that they would be part of some multi-national NATO-style group and assigned a specific task within that group. But maybe we shouldn't take this too seriously, and just leave the animators to put the craft in wherever they look cool! :-)
regarding your point,
- i'm wondering after the motivation of the commissioned '2018' designers... where are these planes to be found? in normal 'common wealth' low orbit rotation? or are these 'presentational fighter planes' commissioned at the dawn of 'space' patrolling that the British deemed a suitable symbol of air superiority? - what are these planes dog-fighting potential? how slow can they go?
"are you suggesting that designers in 2018 were commissioned to recreate this plans for militant reasons?" This isn't a 1940s spitfire, it's 2018 spitfire. It looks a bit like the old spitfire but it's actually a totally up to date fighter. The point would be to remind the viewer of a previous conflict where Nazis were fought off in massive aerial battles. The design would be for emotional purposes, because some of the audience will feel an emotional attachment to the classic spitfire. 'breathtaking' i would imagine that this 'spitfire' group would be part of some memorial / war museum exhibit ('the space smithsonian' for example) are you suggesting that designers in 2018 were commissioned to recreate this plans for militant reasons? Thats pure greatness right there:-D To me the fighters from 30-40s are the most beautiful planes ever built, and you have captured the look perfectly! That is..... AWESOME
Very cool, a modernized Spitfire is exactly what is needed. Thanks a lot Kris!
That's absolutely terrific, it's got the right 1940s style to match the Nazi UFOs, and it definitely looks like a Spitfire! Brilliant, well done Yann, you're a genius. I suggested this today and the concept is there in just a few hours... wow. All it needs now is some camouflage paint and/or RAF decals. From a marketing point of view, that would definitely resonate with a British audience, or with anyone who knows about the Battle of Britain. Publicity for the film in the UK could concentrate on this particular craft, and other countries' craft could be used for publicity in their respective countries. (Come to think of it, a lot of other countries fought in the Battle of Britain because the UK was the last major Ally that wasn't occupied. The best-performing pilots were Polish, and some of them flew Spitfires so they too might appreciate seeing this new Spitfire in the film.) Navy ShipHello!
CommentsJani, I never thought of the whale probe as liquorice before, but now every time I see it I'll be thinking of Fazer laku. And I thought it was such a cool design before... Heh, the tube shape reminds me of the infamous liquorice space ship in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.. http://files.kinabrew.com/images/StarTrekWhaleProbe.jpg Thanks a lot Kris! :) This is my favourite of all Yann's excellent designs. They're all good though, so hopefully as many as possible will make it into the film. Those are cool spaceships. I like them Thank you very much! Very nice design.  Shot from historyThe Chinese air force and space program was, until very recently in the 20th century, based entirely upon wood. Perhaps as the situation grows desperate they will bring out a fleet of "classic" wooden fighters? That would be so hilariously fun to watch. Wooden chinese fighter jets against Nazi aerial tanks.  Not really a suggestion...But more like a promo for Iron Sky, I used the space ships of Yann.
Commentsyeah perhaps I think Peter talked about having an Iron Sky poster task soon, so maybe you could enter this there too? An insane *ODDBALL* spaceship?Taking it from absurd to insane... Could someone imagine among all the more or less crazy but still 'reasonable' looking spacecrafts already designed here: a spaceship - or even a whole fleet of such - which would would look so COMPLETELY INSANE BEYOND ALL IMAGINATION (an extention of FUBAR...), that there's no way it ever could be reasonable for any use, and that there's no way of avoiding laughing stoplessly immediately when seeing it? "Ueber-engineering" to the extreme might be the word. Let's call that a competition for all graphic designers here... CommentsYup. It might be built imaginatively, but it could never work or if it actually could, it would most certainly work somehow perversely. Say, using the otherwise ingenious main gun would by necessity hit the back of the pilot's head. Or the vehicle would have way too much armament and no room left for effective controls, so that it really couldn't be controlled by any means. Or its hypertech selfdefences would apparently make it defenceless... Ueber-engineering. Losing the point. Timo, so the idea is: Just because you CAN build it, that doesn't mean you SHOULD build it. ? Kris... That's the sort of thing I mean. It might be feasible to engineer such a vehicle, and it sure does represent 'some' sort of ingenuity. But by getting too far in powerfulness it would immediately appear absurd and insane. That counts as the first OK idea for this. Let's get more. And graphics sketches would naturally be preferred. Unfortunately I'm no graphics designer myself, so I cannot toss in my views in graphics. I might sketch "something with way too many moving parts to make any sense" myself. But that's just one possibility, and a very laborous one. Big rubbery and stupid looking fish going trough the space! Okay, I'm still not 100% sure what the task is, but how about this: A ship where the engines are stupidly huge, like the engines from the destroyers in Star Wars, but there's just a normal shuttle-style cockpit attached to the front of it with five people in it. So it's very very overpowered for such a small crew. like a rock-fish / lion fish / scorpion fish : a magnetized space junk compactor that attracts the hordes of space junk in orbit. but it also has a 'bull-frog' function : capable of devouring satellites and cannibalizing their precious metals... it's orbit might be determined as well as it's fall trajectory...
He might then eject in a separate ship from the T.O.A.D. (Trans Orbital Avian Detonator) that might appear to be a 'UFO' - though it only functions as a glider. I would guess him to be a MooNazi sleeper cell. Though I might be wrong. No, not aliens. Such has been cut away from the film. "Ueber-engineering". I didn't mean something ridiculous but rather something so "ingenious" that it actually goes beyond insanity. The idea would be to laugh at something "too serious", if possible. Whatever that might be... Flying wok-pan, teapot or solar wind driven gigantic condom? I suggested that the space ship "Alexey Leonov" from the movie 2010 could appear in the movie Ironsky, returning from it's Jupiter mission:
The early 80s cheap sci-fi "Battle Beyond The Stars" had a rather laughable spacecraft: http://www.badmovies.org/movies/battlebeyond/battlebeyond1.jpg You just need to watch Star Wars... CommentsThank you Peter! Yann, great job with the animation, looks amazing for you just "trying" some animation. Very cool! So, I've tried to make an animation, it's in the main post.
Thanks a lot!
As Kris says, try Blender. We are also working on the Open Rendering Environment (ORE) and that is supporting Blender as well. http://renderfarm.fi has a bit more info on that one. Yann, I'm not an expert on 3D so I don't know if this is good enough, but a lot of people on here seem to recommend Blender. It's free so there's no harm in at least trying it: I'd like too!
Would be really cool to get those things animated. It is near of the actual US space shuttle concept.
Yann - I wonder if the rocket - which obviously will break up into a multi-functional pod as well might not destroy the 'space ships' at the nose upon traveling as thousands of miles an hour? Perhaps the space ships might be housed so as not to put undue strain on their moorings? I don't think it matters whether this is 100% realistic, the important thing is that it's plausible enough to appear in the film. Thank you!
totally realistic concept of a functional, though overly specialized, bridging device... (regrarding oskar's insightful comment) this is exactly the kind of projects that money burning pseudo - military committees churn out - until their all destroyed in the opening stages of the war... great shot. Thanks for your comments. :)
Great concept. Like how the fighters are attached to the mother ship. The only thing I was wondering was how the mother ship make sharp turns when all the rocket engines are at the end. Very cool! Like the Aeroflot in there;-) LOL, didn't notice that. Ha ha...Aeroflot :-) |
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The Japan that allied with the Nazis was a military dictatorship with a huge army.
I doubt modern democratic Japan would want to side with the Nazis, and even if they did they don't have a proper army to make any difference militarily. Most of Japan's defence forces are American soldiers left over from the post-war occupation.