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We had a lengthy discussion today about wrecking and exploding the spaceships in our huge space battle sequences, and we decided that we want to make something completely new and very violent.
So I need a bit of research help here: find us interesting explosions from the net, or otherwise give good examples of how to approach this visual gimmickry from an interesting perspective.
As you might know, Nazi ships use Helium-3 as their main power source. What happens when a fictional Helium-3 explodes in space?
The thing is: we need cool pictures and videos, not so much of theoretical data and links, since unfortunately we don't have enough time to go through each of them.
Alright, wreck on my friends!
MajorD
March 12, 2010 23:40
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Boringly, nothing much would happen. The only way carrying helium-3 would really matter in an explosion is if a weapon impacting the helium were powerful enough to induce fusion. A nuke might do it, but if the weapon is that powerful to begin with, then the additional explosiveness is not going to be particularly noticeable.
If the fusion reactor just happens to lose containment, then all that will happen is the plasma will melt the reactor wall. If it's not caught in time, then it will melt the magnets too. At that point the plasma will escape, and then... the plasma will rapidly cool. Without the magnets to contain the plasma, the gas cannot reach the fusion state, so there is no explosion if there is a reactor breach.
I think the solution are the anti-gravity drives. What if putting them out of balance while still powered causes them to create intense gravitational gradients? Gradients so steep that they create visual gravitational lensing, so intense that the gradient crushes the saucer's hull like a soda can, turning the crew to red jam, and causing a flash of light at the focal point of the gradient. The saucer would also spin out of control. The gravity drive would completely shatter and explode from this, with the rest of the ship quickly break apart n the process. So, no bang, but a crack, suck, crunch, and wild uncontrolled spinning all in less than a second! Gravity my friends, gravity is the answer.
Just some off the top of my head thoughts. You have fire when there is oxygen. So when an explosion happens in space, will be pretty short-lived assuming it's fueled by air rushing out of the spaceship. Assuming Helium 3 has some properties like ordinary helium, helium is normally inflammable so it would not explode like hydrogen, but if the temperatures and pressure gets hot enough it will start a fusion process. Only it will be much cooler than if hydrogen fuses. Instead of blue or yellow, the flames would probably be red. Someone who is a physicist or astronomer could probably confirm my theory, but it's worth considering.
Where the magnetic force crunches the craft inward like car crunch press after it is hit with laser weapon and makes a bloody mess. Some crafts make it into orbit before crunch then the steel chunk falls to earth, creates a deep hole in the ground and earth waves travel outwards when it lands. One lands just out of Toronto and the wave runs through the city. Buildings collide and the CN TOWER brakes,,falls into the City( shot from outside goes through the window in tower..shows people sliding inside the tower,and the camera travels out side to see the tower fall into the city..in one shot) pulling the elevators up the shaft. Everyone escape when the deck around the tower hit buildings on both side of Young Street and slows it down until it stops just above the street and one guy falls to the ground, unharmed and the tip of the tower brakes off and spears a car on the ground.
Having had a look through the other suggestions people have made, i don't know if i can really be of any assistance! However, i do know of a couple of explosion effects that could be suggested as the explosion of Helium - 3 (depite the fact that i know nothing of Chemistry and have absolutely no knowledge of the science behind it! :P) and i would just like to add that i use film examples not because i encourage plaguerism but because they best describe the types of explosions i was thinking of!
1. Star Wars - Attack of the Clones: The Seismic Charge
I'm not suggesting you plaguerise George Lucas' sci-fi epic!!! i just think that this explosion type, in form and colouring could fit the bill for what you are suggesting! (see image #3)
2.The Hindenburg -
I have sufficient knowledge to know that helium itself is inflammable and would not explode like Hydrogen gas does. But i thought the way in which the fire moves and spreads (much like a solar flare) could be used to simulate an explosion and i think the way the explosion causes the airship to sink, as though in water, could be used as well! (image #1)
3. Titan A.E - Earth Destruction -
IF you have seen the film Titan A.E the way in which the earth is destroyed, exploding outwards with multiple fragments flying in all directions could be used in a ship explosion. (image #2)
Ok so you have space flyers scrambling, setting out all sorts of munitions. Why not use the space debris as reflectors. As space junk is floating by causing all sorts of manuevers for the pilots have a weapon that can bounce once off of the debris hitting a target then exploding.
Example:
Nazi craft is targeting enemy craft there is pieces of a recently launched rocket nearby A canister is launched by the Nazi craft that deflects off of the space junk at a trajectory that hits it's target. causing the enemy craft to impolde upon itself.
Also looking at the Norway Sky spiral might give some ideas as to using advanced technology, and would give off shock effects to the viewer. Like the battle in space is causing all this phenomina on Earth.
Example: A hit craft goes into a spin losing a spiral like gas into space then finally imploding. From Earth view it looks like the Norway Spiral.
Also another type of explosion you could use is transient black hole effect.
Example: A canister containing dark matter is shot with armor piercing capability. It hits and imbeds itself into a ship, a timer goes off and the dark matter chamber breaks disolving the ship into nothing causing an area to avoid by future space fights.
Juho S
February 28, 2010 12:05
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Check out how it pulsates (especially at sec 23). Almost like a beating heart. The more organic it looks, the more violent it will appear in my opinion:
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This might be the best way.
Maybe the He -fusion reaction accelerates when not regulated, resulting in a general acceleration of the gravito-magnetic superfluid.
In turn, resulting in the gravitational vortex that crunches the vessel.
What follows are possible explanations for this technology.
Anti-Gravity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJJ-4lnwrck
Mentions Helium-Fusion @ around 6:38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfjG7fo3y4k
Gravity is indeed the answer. If hit a ship could (would) be compressed inward until it reaches supercritical density , creating a gravitational vortex distortion around it (kind of like a black hole) ,then explode in a bright flash of light, that would be sucked back in by the grav vortex in a spiral-like pattern...
If the anti-gravity drive is also the reactor, then the helium would be injected into the core, or ring, or whatever it is that creates the drive effect. This way, if the drive takes a hit it could shoot plasma out the hole, even if only for an extremely brief moment. In the last part of the crunch, a bit of plasma could squeeze out, but I don't know how right that would be, except that a high enough spot of gravity could keep fusion going until the last moment.
Ah right, I was thinking that helium could burn by it self... stupid me.
Thank you.
There's nothing for a gas to burn with in space, and helium can't combine with oxygen. The final result of what I described above could be an explosion, but I kind of like it without a fiery explosion.
Now that's a cool thought though, fusion.
Though, for the visual impact of things perhaps it could look like this:
Gas leaks out, turn into very swift flames, followed by a sort of big-bang motion..?
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