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Created at February 22, 2010
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We had a lengthy discussion today about wrecking and exploding the spaceships in our huge space battle sequences, and we decided that we want to make something completely new and very violent.

So I need a bit of research help here: find us interesting explosions from the net, or otherwise give good examples of how to approach this visual gimmickry from an interesting perspective.

As you might know, Nazi ships use Helium-3 as their main power source. What happens when a fictional Helium-3 explodes in space?

The thing is: we need cool pictures and videos, not so much of theoretical data and links, since unfortunately we don't have enough time to go through each of them.

Alright, wreck on my friends!


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MajorD March 12, 2010 23:40 5 Thumb-ups
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Nothing

Boringly, nothing much would happen. The only way carrying helium-3 would really matter in an explosion is if a weapon impacting the helium were powerful enough to induce fusion. A nuke might do it, but if the weapon is that powerful to begin with, then the additional explosiveness is not going to be particularly noticeable.

If the fusion reactor just happens to lose containment, then all that will happen is the plasma will melt the reactor wall. If it's not caught in time, then it will melt the magnets too. At that point the plasma will escape, and then... the plasma will rapidly cool. Without the magnets to contain the plasma, the gas cannot reach the fusion state, so there is no explosion if there is a reactor breach.

I think the solution are the anti-gravity drives. What if putting them out of balance while still powered causes them to create intense gravitational gradients? Gradients so steep that they create visual gravitational lensing, so intense that the gradient crushes the saucer's hull like a soda can, turning the crew to red jam, and causing a flash of light at the focal point of the gradient. The saucer would also spin out of control. The gravity drive would completely shatter and explode from this, with the rest of the ship quickly break apart n the process. So, no bang, but a crack, suck, crunch, and wild uncontrolled spinning all in less than a second! Gravity my friends, gravity is the answer.

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'GroundingStick' Carl L. May 26, 2010 09:35 Flag

This might be the best way.
Maybe the He -fusion reaction accelerates when not regulated, resulting in a general acceleration of the gravito-magnetic superfluid.
In turn, resulting in the gravitational vortex that crunches the vessel.

What follows are possible explanations for this technology.

Anti-Gravity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJJ-4lnwrck

Mentions Helium-Fusion @ around 6:38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfjG7fo3y4k

Chris Mills May 25, 2010 11:57 Flag

Gravity is indeed the answer. If hit a ship could (would) be compressed inward until it reaches supercritical density , creating a gravitational vortex distortion around it (kind of like a black hole) ,then explode in a bright flash of light, that would be sucked back in by the grav vortex in a spiral-like pattern...

MajorD May 25, 2010 02:52 Flag

If the anti-gravity drive is also the reactor, then the helium would be injected into the core, or ring, or whatever it is that creates the drive effect. This way, if the drive takes a hit it could shoot plasma out the hole, even if only for an extremely brief moment. In the last part of the crunch, a bit of plasma could squeeze out, but I don't know how right that would be, except that a high enough spot of gravity could keep fusion going until the last moment.

Lizette Stenqvist May 23, 2010 10:32 Flag

Ah right, I was thinking that helium could burn by it self... stupid me.
Thank you.

MajorD May 23, 2010 01:27 Flag

There's nothing for a gas to burn with in space, and helium can't combine with oxygen. The final result of what I described above could be an explosion, but I kind of like it without a fiery explosion.

Lizette Stenqvist May 18, 2010 19:50 Flag

Now that's a cool thought though, fusion.

Though, for the visual impact of things perhaps it could look like this:
Gas leaks out, turn into very swift flames, followed by a sort of big-bang motion..?

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Mark Hare May 12, 2010 04:52 3 Thumb-ups
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Fiery Helium

Just some off the top of my head thoughts. You have fire when there is oxygen. So when an explosion happens in space, will be pretty short-lived assuming it's fueled by air rushing out of the spaceship. Assuming Helium 3 has some properties like ordinary helium, helium is normally inflammable so it would not explode like hydrogen, but if the temperatures and pressure gets hot enough it will start a fusion process. Only it will be much cooler than if hydrogen fuses. Instead of blue or yellow, the flames would probably be red. Someone who is a physicist or astronomer could probably confirm my theory, but it's worth considering.

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MajorD May 25, 2010 02:49 Flag

But the gas can't fuse unless it is in the reactor. Once out of the reactor the plasma will quickly cool and disperse. It might be bright enough to see outside the ship through a hole but that depends on the amount of plasma and its temperature.

If the reactor is rendered non-functional, any plasma still in the reactor will quickly cool to gas, and the visibility of the plasma will be extremely brief if any escapes. If the reactor continues to function with a hole in the side, it might produce a continuous stream of plasma, but as mentioned previously it won't last long outside the reactor even thought the over all effect may be longer. You can see in fusion reactor videos that the plasma subsides very rapidly once shut down. Although, I don't know if that's due in part to no one having yet made a self sustaining fusion reaction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7nSmoYoPMc&feature=related

Mark Hare May 24, 2010 04:36 Flag

Then I should have written "non-flammable" instead of inflammable. The truth is, helium will not catch fire like hydrogen. That is why helium is used in modern airships. Although without oxygen explosions might be no more than quick flashes, I still think the rupture of the plasma containment system for the helium-3 fusion reactor on a saucer would result in more of an explosion than one might expect. After all, even though there's no oxygen in space, the sun seems to burn quite nicely without it. The point is when you have a fusion reaction at hot enough temperatures, the superheated gasses would glow. The color would range from white, to blue, to yellow, to red depending upon the temperature. I still think seeing the saucers explode in small balls of brief red fire would be cool. :-)

'GroundingStick' Carl L. May 23, 2010 10:03 Flag

About that Oxygen...
While it's true that regular combustion will not happen in hard vacuum, the UFO's are not powered by diesel engines. Nuclear fusion will generate temperatures high enough to ionize gas. In the end the flashy flamy thing is ionized gas. Plasma. But after rupturing the hull, it would disperse quickly, so any 'bright explosion' will be very short lived.
@John Mieske: Exactly! (minus the oxygen -seems like this is a nit-pick thread)

MajorD May 23, 2010 01:11 Flag

I've seen this twice now, and I can't help myself. Inflammable means something can burn, same as flammable. I know it's stupid sounding, but the difference is something can be flammable to a degree, while something inflammable is completely flammable. Imagine hard wood, it won't burst into flame at the touch of a match, but with enough fire it will slowly burn. Something inflammable will burst into flame thanks to a teeny spark. Then again, I may be stretching the definition since the basic meaning for both is the capability to be set on fire.

Fusing helium plasma would cool off so fast as not to create a plume of fire. If you're lucky it might kill off the crew before leaving the hull with a quick wash of flame.

John Mieske May 20, 2010 18:28 Flag

I would have to agree.. Without oxygen, explosions in space are short lived.

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Magnus Iskall May 24, 2010 20:55 1 Thumb-up
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Magnetic crunch

Where the magnetic force crunches the craft inward like car crunch press after it is hit with laser weapon and makes a bloody mess. Some crafts make it into orbit before crunch then the steel chunk falls to earth, creates a deep hole in the ground and earth waves travel outwards when it lands. One lands just out of Toronto and the wave runs through the city. Buildings collide and the CN TOWER brakes,,falls into the City( shot from outside goes through the window in tower..shows people sliding inside the tower,and the camera travels out side to see the tower fall into the city..in one shot) pulling the elevators up the shaft. Everyone escape when the deck around the tower hit buildings on both side of Young Street and slows it down until it stops just above the street and one guy falls to the ground, unharmed and the tip of the tower brakes off and spears a car on the ground.

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Robin Fixter May 22, 2010 22:29 1 Thumb-up
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"I just like it when stuff blows up"

Having had a look through the other suggestions people have made, i don't know if i can really be of any assistance! However, i do know of a couple of explosion effects that could be suggested as the explosion of Helium - 3 (depite the fact that i know nothing of Chemistry and have absolutely no knowledge of the science behind it! :P) and i would just like to add that i use film examples not because i encourage plaguerism but because they best describe the types of explosions i was thinking of!

1. Star Wars - Attack of the Clones: The Seismic Charge

I'm not suggesting you plaguerise George Lucas' sci-fi epic!!! i just think that this explosion type, in form and colouring could fit the bill for what you are suggesting! (see image #3)

2.The Hindenburg -

I have sufficient knowledge to know that helium itself is inflammable and would not explode like Hydrogen gas does. But i thought the way in which the fire moves and spreads (much like a solar flare) could be used to simulate an explosion and i think the way the explosion causes the airship to sink, as though in water, could be used as well! (image #1)

3. Titan A.E - Earth Destruction -

IF you have seen the film Titan A.E the way in which the earth is destroyed, exploding outwards with multiple fragments flying in all directions could be used in a ship explosion. (image #2)

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'GroundingStick' Carl L. May 23, 2010 10:04 Flag

non-flammable works too

Robin Fixter May 23, 2010 08:41 Flag

Thank you for filling the gap in my scientific knowledge!! And for correcting my grammar too!

MajorD May 23, 2010 01:22 Flag

I mentioned it already, but it bears repeating that inflammable is not the opposite of flammable. Incombustible works.

The Hindenburg looks the way it does while burning because its skin had the composition of rocket fuel in order to weather proof the fabric. Hydrogen actually burns almost invisibly. The reason the flames moved as they did is due to buoyancy -- high volume (hot) gas displacing low volume (cool) gas. That phenomena won't exist in space.

The idea of solar flairs is interesting. However, for it to make sense, the saucers would need to create high intensity magnetic fields outside its hull.
http://www.eceti.org/SunFlare.jpg
http://www.sflare.com/images/solarflares.jpg
http://www.nersc.gov/news/annual_reports/annrep06/assets/img/AR_figures/sun-lrg.jpg

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'GroundingStick' Carl L. May 18, 2010 20:59 1 Thumb-up
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Catastrophic Containment Failure.

FAST FORWARD TO 3:12

As the core containment field fails, light pierces through the bullet-hole riddled hull. The core-plasma, formerly contained by magnetic fields, vents into the interior compartments, and the crew is vaporized.
The hull screeches under the pressure, and with a metal-rending
explosion the 'Haunebu' is torn asunder.

All that is left now is a quickly dispersing glowing plasma cloud,
and a couple of after-shocks as the ammunition explodes.
This could happen in a daisy-chain fashion, or maybe the one
or other round is launched to careen off neighboring ships.
Some internal fragments might be molten, and will be able to
pierce armor like an EFP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_formed_penetrator

Does this sound like it could be fun, or what?

Another similar video:

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Jack Malinowski May 19, 2010 07:22 Flag

GroundHog - take us to our leader.

:))

'GroundingStick' Carl L. May 18, 2010 21:23 Flag

Who you calling a Nazi? Radical.
;P

Jack Malinowski May 18, 2010 21:09 Flag

yet another shot supporting my belief that the Nazis lost WWII!

i know,

radical,

but they weren't equipped with with an english language thesaurus or an act.

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Mizdimma DeSade May 07, 2010 16:00 3 Thumb-ups
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Explosions, Fire in Space....YEAH

Ok so you have space flyers scrambling, setting out all sorts of munitions. Why not use the space debris as reflectors. As space junk is floating by causing all sorts of manuevers for the pilots have a weapon that can bounce once off of the debris hitting a target then exploding.

Example:
Nazi craft is targeting enemy craft there is pieces of a recently launched rocket nearby A canister is launched by the Nazi craft that deflects off of the space junk at a trajectory that hits it's target. causing the enemy craft to impolde upon itself.

Also looking at the Norway Sky spiral might give some ideas as to using advanced technology, and would give off shock effects to the viewer. Like the battle in space is causing all this phenomina on Earth.

Example: A hit craft goes into a spin losing a spiral like gas into space then finally imploding. From Earth view it looks like the Norway Spiral.

Also another type of explosion you could use is transient black hole effect.

Example: A canister containing dark matter is shot with armor piercing capability. It hits and imbeds itself into a ship, a timer goes off and the dark matter chamber breaks disolving the ship into nothing causing an area to avoid by future space fights.

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'GroundingStick' Carl L. May 07, 2010 19:15 Flag

I like.

Remember that cool blue color of the tail of the spiral?
That's caused by oxygen excited by high temperature.
You can also witness this when a meteor falls.

So I'm suggesting that before it explodes, it careens off into the atmosphere.

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Dieter Weber March 04, 2010 22:24 5 Thumb-ups
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Plasma

So, I suppose they use Helium-3 in a fusion reactor. That's what it may look like during normal operation:

When it escapes, I can imagine it to look like that, but 1000,000x more violent:

More plasma:


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Sami Laulajainen March 03, 2010 20:30 2 Thumb-ups
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conventional roceteering damage

I am assuming that the battle is fought near earth and some of the damaged ships might enter earths atmosphere with bad results.

100 million dollars of damage

Major Malfunction

Re entry demolition

Columbia

Mir

and a little something for the genre

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Juho S March 04, 2010 12:21 Flag

"where's the smoke coming from in the case of MIR, which doesn't (I suppose?) have any fuel on it?"

Re entry speed was so high (as it was supposed to be) that only materials with high melting temperatures made their way to Pacific ocean. Aluminium and other such materials disintegrated and burned by the heat of atmospherical friction.

Approximate air temperature (in kelvins) around re entry surfaces will be equal to the entry speed in meters per second.

Kris S. March 04, 2010 10:03 Flag

"where's the smoke coming from in the case of MIR, which doesn't (I suppose?) have any fuel on it?"

Wouldn't it be the actual material of the station burning up? I don't know, I'm not an engineer...

Timo Vuorensola March 04, 2010 10:01 Flag

Very good references, thank you. Seems that when entering from orbit to the atmosphere there's always a lot more smoke than anything else - where's the smoke coming from in the case of MIR, which doesn't (I suppose?) have any fuel on it?

Also, it's harrowing to watch the Columbia shuttle explosion - especially the extreme calmness of the reporter and the mission control, although the situation is clearly very severe.

Sami Laulajainen March 04, 2010 08:01 Flag

The trust in reich's guidance system is strong with him or the fear of a bullet :) They have given pulitzers for less effort.

Kris S. March 04, 2010 04:47 Flag

I wouldn't have wanted to be the camera operator on that V2 film where it fell back to earth! :/

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Juho S February 28, 2010 12:05 4 Thumb-ups
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Mini star

Nazi ships could use non-fictinal Helium-3 as fuel. Non-fictinal Helium-3 is rare on Earth but it's thought to be greater in abundance on the Moon. Moon Nazis could

process moon regolith to make Helium-3. Helium-3 can be used as fuel on fusion reactor. Only down side is that fusin Helium-3 with itself or even with Deuterium requires very high temperatures.

Moon Nazis overcame this problem, but those shorcuts made inherently safe fusion reactor prone to hyper-accelerated chain reaction with catastrophic consequences. In normal operation reactor is perfectly safe, but with sufficient combat damage reactor could accelerate out of control. This would result reactor to become kind of a mini star.

It would melt the ship to form "star's" outer somewhat cooler surface:
Resuling fire ball like these but in smaller scale:

When "star" has consumed it's fuel and fusion reaction is dying, it first lose it's outer surface like giant solar flares:



Then collapsing into intsel and finally exploding:


After explosion all that remains is some gasses in near ships posiotion.
Result:

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Timo Vuorensola March 04, 2010 10:46 Flag

Very good pondering there, and thanks also to Lee Crystal for the link to the documentary - a very good thoughts here!

Lee Crystal February 28, 2010 16:04 Flag

I'll just have to go change that right now.... LOL

Seriously though this is still something they could play with. Maybe just do some more research?

Still it's not a bad idea.

Juho S February 28, 2010 15:56 Flag

Lee Crystal: At least all-knowing wikipedia says that Helium-3 Deuterium fusion requires much higher temperature than Deuterium Tritium Fusion and Helium-3 Helium-3 fusion requires even higher temperatures.

Juho S February 28, 2010 15:47 Flag

Kris S: Yep, YouTube has many "animation" as hilarious as that one. Had fun going through them : )

Kris S. February 28, 2010 15:39 Flag

I love that first animation, "exploding planet"... :)

Lee Crystal February 28, 2010 15:31 Flag

I thought H3 did not require as high a temperature. I'm sure I saw a program about reactor that could use H3?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2xChmfLlMo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem7hDeREsY

More;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rEqHP9dOQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pesHbbpNRjE

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Oliver Tietgen March 03, 2010 11:39 3 Thumb-ups
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Underwater

Check out how it pulsates (especially at sec 23). Almost like a beating heart. The more organic it looks, the more violent it will appear in my opinion:
<object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/eERsy1IO4LM&hl=de_DE&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/eERsy1IO4LM&hl=de_DE&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object>

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Timo Vuorensola March 04, 2010 10:03 Flag

Yeah, that's amazing and strange.

Juho S March 03, 2010 12:12 Flag

Nice looking underwater footage.

Those html embedding marks also seems to mess activity tab's post table.

Kris S. March 03, 2010 11:47 Flag

Oliver, you don't need to post the embedding code. Just post the URL and Wreckamovie will automatically embed it. :)

Looks nice by the way!

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