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Description25/5/2010 ANOTHER UPDATE: I've tweaked the video a bit, made the transitions faster, shortened the clips and added more productions to the line-up. The overall length is the same but it should flow a bit quicker now. Feedback appreciated. :) 7/4/2010 UPDATE: Right, I've updated the video again, this time with a slightly new approach. I've tried to take into account the feedback on the last version, and made the whole thing even quicker and simpler, with clips of more productions. Please leave any comments below as shots.
Shots Minor updateI've tweaked the video a bit, see the task for a description of the latest update. Let me know what you think. Length issueI Don't fully agree with the length criticism, because I keep asking myself: What would I cut out. It takes 2.13 to introduce the start idea and the10 films. I don't think that the time should be cut, if all the productions are presented. For those of us who haven't seen most of the films those seconds are needed to get the idea that they are (or will be) great films. And the big (youtube) audience must get the idea that productions via WAM are great. That is essential for them to join us. And the other 2.20 minutes are great and educational entertainment showing the potential of the site. Then what would I do? - Keep this one the way it is, make some alterations in the music. Maybe even use the real music of Star Wrek in the latter part. - If the length issue is an issue cut in half: You'd have two 2 minutes 20 second commercials. One featuring the projects one featuring the site. - Make two totally new clips (a 30 sec and a 1,15 minutes) with captain Pirk narrating :"Before we could take over the galaxy we had to take over the internet." That's what I would do CommentsSami, I agree with this. I think as we said earlier, we should have three versions: one like it is now, one at 90 sec and another at 30 sec. I was at a press event for Jyväskylän Kesä (which the Wreckamovie event will be part of) and they had a number of publicity films being shown about all the singers, bands, groups etc taking part. There were so many being shown, they cut some of them short. They usually allowed about 90 sec before they cut them short, so perhaps that's a good length to have too. Thanks, I'll be looking into that production shortly. If you think the You Tube audience they can look at the length and title of the film, which one they want to see. Tv. wants 30 sec, trailer is over 2 minutes (is there a requirement, I don't know). Is there a funding for WAM from Energia? A liltle tv spot costs a lot not to mention a Film trailer. Really like the "Before we could take over the galaxy we had to take over the internet." idea and having Pirk involved. Would make for some really cool wreckommercials (we have a production for that as well). Boils down to what was discussed earlier, doesn't make sense to try to address everything with just one vid, we need several to address different needs. FeedbackPeter asked to write something:
PS:There is nothing from 2pi. CommentsSince my sister just finished her PhD, she will have now plenty of time to do stuff I need to continue.... Thierry, that sounds like a good plan! :) I have to do another teaser attempt for 2Pi anyway so it would be good to hear when there is more "finished" footage. :) Maybe we can put it later, when we have a bit more "finished" stuff. We can use either "Twistdrive" or the complete name. Thierry, some others said it was too long as well. The problem is perhaps what this video is for. I agree it could have the same basic information and be much shorter, but then we would lose some of the feeling of each film? Maybe we should have two versions of this video, with two different lengths? The 2pi thing... I was a bit worried that newcomers might get confused by seeing the name "Star Wreck" before the same video talks about the "real" Star Wreck. Maybe it could be put it back in under just the name "2Pi Twistdrive"?  FeedbackThe music feels a bit too intense. It needs to change pace with the information that is displayed. There is some of the text that I feel belong closer together. Most notably when you get to "the film that started it all: Star Wreck". Also, in the bluescreen shot, you could make small cuts in the middle of it, so you get all the dialogue but not the waiting time in between. The same goes for any drawn out shot. Comments"I surfed Jamendo, but couldn't find anything that I thought fit. Found some damn good music to listen to though. " Yup, same here. There are loads of really good tracks on there but it's not always easy to find something that fits a particular video. That's why I set up the separate task for it, it's not as easy to find suitable music as it seems. I surfed Jamendo, but couldn't find anything that I thought fit. Found some damn good music to listen to though. Since I have been searching the progressive category and come up with nothing I might need to take that statement back... I realized something. In most music, music is the point. In trailer soundtracks the music doesn't exist for itself, it's made to work with images. I would suggest a "mix the music" task, and link to the Jamendo CC-category that allows derivatives. With closer together I meant shorter time in between the instances of text. Which I probably is probably how I ought to have expressed it from the beginning... Sorry about that. Are there any particular tracks on Jamendo you could suggest? And sorry, I still don't totally understand the closer together thing... you want the letters of the words closer together? When it comes to music I think you should try finding something in the Progressive rock part of Jamendo. There are often a lot of changes of pace and intensity in that kind of music. Then try to match the imagery to the tempo of the music. Yes, closer together. If I fixed a movie-file of the latest space battle render for Stick Wreck, would you consider to try and incorporate that? David, changing the pace of the music may be a problem as this isn't specially composed. If someone wants to compose for it that would be great of course... :) What exactly should happen with the "The film that started it all Star Wreck" text? You want me to move it closer together? With the bluescreen shot I was trying to keep the audience looking at how rubbish the bluescreen room looks, and then hit them with how wonderful the film looks. But if we do a shorter version of this video maybe it could be cut as you suggest?  FeedbackI didn't notice this task so I posted my feedback to the news section. I don't have much to say. You don't even have to go to see to the news section. I'm just saying that this video is great. CommentsOkay, thanks for the feedback! :) Great improvement!What a leap from the previous version! Thanks for listening to the feedback. This is much tighter, starts faster and is way more captivating than the previous versions. Great job! Criticism:
CommentsI genuinely like this track. I have listened to it for quite a while on my music player. :) I think it works in the video, that's why I went ahead and used it. If someone disagrees and wants to suggest something else they can go ahead and do it, but so far no one has really done anything, two months after the last version. You don't need to be a sound expert to find a piece of music you like. :) The Star Wreck score is difficult because it is mixed in with the dialogue and sound effects. I don't have the CD, and I'm not sure what the copyright status of the raw soundtrack is anyway. (The music I've used has always been creative commons BTW). Regarding the title, Energia has dropped the ITP part from recent releases and publicity. The UK DVD from 2009 just says "Star Wreck" for example. I'm going along with that so that newcomers aren't confused. Regarding the length, that depends on what this video is meant to be for. If you just want a TV commercial style thing then it should be 30 - 60 seconds, but if you want a presentation (for example at a convention) then a few minutes with more depth is more appropriate. We're not just trying to get across raw information, it has to get across the feeling of these films and that's difficult to do if the clips are trimmed down any more. (I did actually trim some of these quite a bit, the Griffin clip for example has some parts removed compared to the same section of the teaser.) Maybe a summary at the very beginningI got this though about the very beginning of the video: Maybe you should begin sharp, and give a quick answer to the "what is wreckamovie" -question right at the beginning (during the zoom and the iceview). Something like: "What is Wreckamovie? (zoom) It's collaborative filmmaking online, (iceview) Where anyone can become a movie maker! (closeup) This is how it all started..." Now the looong intro zoom and view of the guys on ice that does nothing. And it takes over a minute to get to the answer to the question posted at the title screen. In today's ADHD world many viewers might not have the patience to wait. What do you think? Comments"The current muzak just doesn't fit the wrecking bill." ...could you suggest something from Jamendo? http://www.jamendo.com/en/tags All these are CC, most of them should be suitably licensed for use by WAM. New music would be nice. The current muzak just doesn't fit the wrecking bill. My main point is, that the video should pique the interest of casual viewers instantly. The first 10-20 seconds are critical. If you don't capture the viewer within that timeframe, they switch the channel. These are all good suggestions, was just waiting for someone to produce a new music track before re-editing. It's been a while since that task though, maybe I should go ahead with a new version based on the current music? I completely agree, as in my shot I also was worrying about nothing happening in the first 30 seconds. I love WAM, I wanted to see the video, and yet I felt myself desiring it would speed... ;) Michael MonroeThis is a bit unprofessional but... wow! Did someone put something in my tea this morning? 
CommentsThought you would like it;-) Had quite a few people stop by and we showed What is Wreckamovie, Snowblind and a bunch of other videos from Wreckamovie. And got invited to quite a few more festivals in the US to speak about WAM, so a good show overall.  Wreck-A-Movie is...I like the new intro much more... but as I believe I told Kris before (on a Landing conference call, lol) I cannot help wondering whether the text "This is Wreckamovie" could/should be replaced by the WAM logo itself, floating in between clouds. Possibly, it could say something like: "(Wreck-A-Movie) is..." Further, I personally fear that the gap in between the first text/title and the first line of explanation may be slightly too long and risk losing people's attention when nothing at all happens within the first 30seconds of the video. Possible alternate timing/sample text (feel free to rephrase!) 0:00-0:05: What is (Wreck-a-Movie)? (with logo)
Just IMHO of course. There's a chance the timing is just perfect and I am the one suffering of ADHD disorder. I've been told that before... ;P CommentsI have to agree with Angela about timing. From my own experience people first check lenght of a video and then make a decision to try it or not. Especially when it's something new for them. I think length 3:40 is pretty ok and that is not a problem. But if they decide try it, they want to be interested immediately or they give it up. Long story short - I intercede too for little bit faster start :) That's the one, thanks Angela! Kris, I believe you are looking for this shot: Does anyone know where I can download a high res version of the WAM logo? I know the link was somewhere on WAM a while ago but I can't find it. Different music?I spent a very very long time trying to find a new music track from Jamendo, but nothing with the right licence fitted the video as well as the original. Maybe I should set up a task so we could have original music on the video? There are a lot of composers on here, maybe one of them could help? CommentsI've set up a task for this: DIfferent and original music would be good. Lots of great wreckers on here that can help with that. |
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