I don't know, is it?
I do not see how it is helping me to see where there's creative and collaborative activities going on?

Isnt that what the "Karma" is for?

But they always align with the sun... ^_^

It's more likely to be a conspiracy involving the KBA!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43781

I have had this problem for months. I have to use IE to upload my files O.o

Probably they forgot that. I think I told that to Peter directly.....

Oops. Sorry for double post then :S

I think I reported that problem already a year ago.

It should be possible to allow a maximum of checkboxes that can be crossed like 4-5.

Yaaay!

Great, thanks Peter and WAM staff! :)

Yup, this has caused a lot of confusion and problems.

The default should be that people DON'T receive the replies, they shouldn't need to opt out.

...that explains the sudden influx of message replies, and the really slow speed of the servers yesterday.

Actually, why not put the "Flag" icon for messages too? As just today I got some irresistible offer at helping in transferring millions of USDs from some bank.. with a very nice percentage of the sum as compensation for my efforts! I'm so generous that would love to tell about the offer to WaM admins too!!

Also, consider that Iron Sky has 1532 members. If just a tenth of that were to reply... You do the maths.

Aaah. So now that I have made a working filter it won't change the filenames automagically?. (The working filter now blocks: http://www.wreckamovie.com/images/how_to_make_* and http://www.wreckamovie.com/images/browse_productions_*)

I'd certainly love nothing better than to collate together all the strange insights and wacky ideas into the best script outline possible for 'Iron Sky' or any other appealing production. But first of all, regarding appeals to solitary division of labor, no particular responsibilities towards any task or input thereto have been clarified with me. It's all somewhat vague at present. One task, one contribution that I am passionate about and that I have long undertaken on my own initiative, is the study and implementation of productive collaboration, particularly in one endeavor among others, that of fiction writing, to maximize inventiveness and quality of output as well as heightening the creative experience. And it is from that perspective from which I now speak:

The only task at hand for me is simply respond to what I find posted. And to whit, personally, I see one responsibility that I find myself so frustrated in striving here and now to specify and to establish, and that is the responsibility simply even to try to uphold one's own end of a conversation. And that, I am to gather, is too nebulous a thing to ask. I disagree. Obviously, in order to hammer out plans and work through disagreements, all sides must make the effort to keep posting instead of trailing off. And, what seems most surprising to you and even more obvious to me, in order to develop points of creative narrative together, to gather, sort and tie the ideas together into a script outline and then polish the work, it will necessary for participants each simply even to try to uphold one's own end of a conversation. Otherwise, the benefit of the writer's bull session online, of nominal brainstorming as it is called nowadays, will be lost to such goal as quality script writing and such.

For such creative collaboration one must rise above fears and taboos of the unknown and the unstructured, of being mistaken or of seeming silly. One must continue to build upon and modify that which has come before. One must ask questions, offer conjectures and make criticisms. And creatively, one must look to the end product for refined substance gradually taking shape, rather than demanding any justified or substantiated starting point, by analogy, much as one must hope for hard evidence as the hoped for result, not the beginning, of investigation. These are important qualities of autonomy and what is called: creative tension, in order to maximize each our gifts, individually and collectively, for any endeavor.

Mind you, incidentally, that all of this is essential to my work process:

If we want better pitches, then there may need to be better openness to free exchange and incubation. Indeed, a story told from the perspective of a piano is no salient movie concept at all. And now that you mention it, 'The Great British Army' seems to be facing some passing criticism as unsound for wont of proper groundwork in Alternate History, but plunging ahead anyhow, the criticism simply being allowed to fade! -which is a bad thing, because it is actually important to keep unpopular opinions alive in intelligent and productive discourse. But as a writing prompt, even a story told from the perspective of a piano, much less an Alternate History full of plot holes, might finally do well: Indeed, a flash of inspiration might turn out positively brilliant! Then we'd finally have our strong, surprising and unexpected premise. Any of you may have noticed how I gave it a shot for the charming but somewhat vaguely envisioned 'The Romuttamo'. But again, I simpy failed to get the ball rolling. What, are we busy doing anything more important? Indeed, in the very spirit of helping one another out, as a wonderfully fun team building exercise, first of all let's get a good work out for our imaginations together!

Indeed, as for the writers' bull session or brainstorm indeed as towards my own production, 'Rogue Earth,' I might just at all know what I am doing and what I am asking for. Drop by and see what begins to emerge. Though yes, I am concentrating upon the writing and I have little clue as yet beyond. Perhaps when the story is fleshed out worth a damn, financial and other such expertise will be attracted to the project for brainstorming solid business plans, all in due course. There is no need to put the cart before the horse or for the tail to wag the dog.

And as for 'Iron Sky' general ideas, let's do get back and keep retrieving those shots into the dark, and keep beating them into shape. Let the hammer and anvil ring out clear and true beneaith the iron sky!

No, I am not one of those lazy good for nothing anti-intellectual worshipers of the Kurt Kilbane Jesus, who all expect sonnets directly out from effortless and unedited stream of consciousness! Writing is rewriting, and never a waste of time. What I advocate are new ventures of whatever sort, in all due diligence, completely from scratch; indy production "for the rest of us!"

Sure, "film making is not a democracy" but I think productions like "Norwegian Ninja" where most stuff is set already even before they come here are rather the exception. They are real pros too. But I think if Wreckamovie succeeds and lives to see its true purpose, it will also (if not mainly) be a platform where people learn HOW to make movies by helping each other out. Only this will never happen if there is three new productions each day that say "I want to make an epic bigger than Star Wars with my video-cam, duh". Don't get me wrong but I have the feeling around 90% of the productions in here will never get off the ground - and that can only lead to frustrated wreckers who eventually leave.

As I said, as soon as I have some free time I'm willing to help that by giving more input - just at the moment, as Seppo hinted at, I'm far too busy with my own stuff... Oh yeah filmmaking is not only dictatorship but also requires self enslavement ;P

"The director is the dictator, ar mr Vuoresola once said (If I remember right...correct if I am wrong)"

You probably meant to write "as mr V. once said"

Nice explanaion Kalle. The maturnity of a productin may also prevent directors and staff of one particular production to respond in every possible new shot or comment, the time is short.

On the other hand in the preliminary phase of a film production the conversation is lively, because every shot is important and may be of grat value.

Mature productions don't allow the director to chance much if they have a narrow schedule to finish their productions.

The director is the dictator, ar mr Vuoresola once said (If I remember right...correct if I am wrong)

Yeah I think we're talking about two different (yet connected) things here.
After looking at your own production Aaron, I think Kris thought you were talking about the lack of participation there. As I have understood though, you meant the strange style of communication with Iron Sky, where one shot after the other is fired into the dark void of space without ever being heard of again ;-)

I definitely have to agree that for your own production, you need to be much more specific. Firstly, you have to get the people's interest in your production, and you can't get that by being completely vague. Some time ago, somebody started a handful of productions that all went something like "this film is told from the perspective of a piano, please submit a story". Sorry if I mix things up here but the point is that it doesn't work like that. Anyone can say "I'm going to make a hardcore sci-fi-film so please submit a story, characters and a budget". This will make people go "WTF?!?" at best - but since there is no "WTF?!?"-Button, no one will ever know. Well I'm being sarcastic here.

But there we cross right over to the other problem: People who want to make a film are totally sure that their idea is the best idea ever, mostly because THEY had it. So really, to make wreckamovie effective, every production would need a "reality check" gauge. This would be a scale from red to green right on the productions top page, next to the synopsis, or even better: "pitch" of the production. So the first thing for any production leader would be to put up a solid description of what he or she has in mind and how it is supposed to be realised. Then people can press the + or - buttons at the scale and if it goes into the red, the production leader sees that something definitely needs to be changed.

Maybe some of you now think this is elitist bullcrap but I know how it is: If you love your own idea (see above) nothing but a good hard blow with a sledge hammer will make you reconsider. If somebody walks up to you and says "this won't work!" you'll be like "sure whatever, as if YOU had any idea!". And if you ask friends or family, they are not a reliable source because they probably don't know enough about the matter plus they don't want to make you sad. And this would be the great chance of Wreckamovie: That a MASS of people speak their minds openly so you can check anytime if you're on the right track with your plans.

Now one could say "this way we'll end up with cloned Michael Bay movies and the one original idea will be lost" but I don't think so. Maybe in one of a million cases the crowd here will be wrong and destroy an idea that would have been great, and they just couldn't believe it could be pulled off. Even this could be prevented though: by discussion, changes, and judging again, over and over. Hell even every shot should have that "reality check" gauge, this could even be achieved by simply adding a "thumbs down" button.

I know it may sound hard but Aaron also said it; "Flame free brutally frank and cogent critique is always of the essence!"
And without the sledgehammer, there will be no need to think things over. Wreckers will just ignore the production and the Production Leaders will never know why, so they'll just think "this site sucks" and leave. And I recently saw a lot of comments by a person called "user has left the building".

I could go on about this for hours but I think this should suffice for now... Flame on! Err I mean what do you think, my fellow ladies and gentlemen of the court?

Thanks. Perhaps, however, we are slightly adrift from my main points about productive discourse, that came up brainsorming genneral ideas for 'Iron Sky'.

"First of all, to reiterate, I have no objection whatsoever to moving this shot where ever most visible, appropriate and helpful. Glad to be here in Wreckamovie Platform."

Then why didn't you?

You're making a good case for yourself as someone who wants other people to do everything for you. But, you have made www.foolquest.com right? That tells me that you are not afraid of hard work, when it all comes down to it. (It's a design disaster, but that can be worked on, right?) That poster you scrounged together is great though.

The point is that you need to be smart, sell your production. People will follow their interests, and, metaphorically speaking, shiny objects.

You can't demand that people be interested in your production. There are many productions here, and you can't take active part in all of them. You need to realize that there is competition here, many productions that compete for attention and talented people. The only way to get rid of the competition would be to throw most productions out...

If there is a complaint to be made here it is that the featured production on the main page only rotates a very small selection of already well established productions. That feature could be used better, to get more effective circulation of talent on Wreck a Movie.

Also, your production isn't even a week old, have some patience.

First of all, to reiterate, I have no objection whatsoever to moving this shot where ever most visible, appropriate and helpful. Glad to be here in Wreckamovie Platform.

So, you don't think I put work into my shots and replies? Jave you looked? Or are you demanding some manner of prior justification? Let me explain something important to you: As the saying goes, measure twice, do once. Collaboration is more than simple individual division of labor and contribution. It's not about "getting things done," even howsoever arbitrarily. Much as in the scientific attitude, democratic values, or anything else that matters and hasn't yet been figured out to the last word, freewheeling free exchange IS, IS, IS!!!!! the very work of the writer's bull session, the least costly yet essential artistic beating heart of strong creative writing prior to expensive commitment through to production, "film in the can" and any idea at all howsoever "cast in stone". And there is no replacement for it. Know more at: http://www.FoolQuest.com/fiction.htm

Well, that's what makes me crazy. You?

A theme system would probably be good; but implementing it (I would guess) would take effort that could be better spent on other things.

As I said, it is very subjective. This theme is perfect for me, less so for you. Thus my suggestion of the ability to choose from a set of themes and have that choice connected to your personal account, that is, add new coloured ones without taking the current one away.

I get your points, but as far as workplace design goes, in my opinion, "distractions" should be balanced with "inspirations".

Work environment effects the quality of the product enormously . Since WAM is supposed to be mainly a CREATIVE environment, it makes no sense to me to have a non-descript "gray and conservative" workplace look.

Mind you, i'm not suggesting anarchy, an all-neon color scheme, or anything that extreme. But using some color would not, well, "wreck" the site.

Soft and boring is perfect when you don't want any undue distractions from the creative process. For me that is.

Though there are communities where you can change the theme for your own account by choosing from a set of themes. I think that would be good, a creative environment that you feel comfortable with is important, and also very subjective.

boooooooooooo - ring!

Sure, but there is a fine line between 'bling bling' and 'boredom'.

Personally, i think the current "soft-looking logo" and a gray color scheme is way too, well, SOFT AND BORING. We are supposed to be Wreckin' something, goddamit!

Using colors would really not hurt the overall product.

Third. This is a work place... er... uhm : 'working environment.'

I second that. I can't concentrate with animated ads. If it weren't for Adblock plus, I wouldn't be able to read the news online...

That animation on the front page is enough to get me stressed.

I agree, currently WAM has a certain conservative look to it, and that should be maintained.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law has a good explanation of this.

Totally agree.