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Jani Salomaa October 13, 2009 14:03 6 Thumb-ups
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WAM in Wikipedia?

"If it's not in Wikipedia, it doesn't exist" ...Old Jungle Saying

Simple question: Why in the world is there no Wreck-A-Movie entry in Wikipedia?

I'd imagine there would be plenty of wikipedia contributors amongst the WAM community. And it doesn't give a good image of the site if there is not even a stub about it.

Maybe you should set up a task about this...

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Peter Vesterbacka October 28, 2009 23:00 Flag

And here's the translation task:

http://www.wreckamovie.com/tasks/show/769

Let's get wrecking!

Peter Vesterbacka October 28, 2009 22:57 Flag

I'll add a separate task for translating the WAM entry in Wikipedia.

Delphine October 28, 2009 21:18 Flag

Ei kestä. I'll do it en Français first and I'll see what I can do for the Deutsch part.

Jani Salomaa October 28, 2009 20:52 Flag

Go for it Delphine! Kiitos! It would be great to have it in French and German, since Iron Sky and WAM will soon get a lot of attention in those countries. I would do it in Spanish, but my grammar is "fatal"..

Just remain loyal to the original text and copy the references. It can't be too hard;)

What do you guys think - should/could we make a new task "translate the WAM entry in wikipedia"?

Delphine October 28, 2009 20:33 Flag

I am still looking for a job and I am stuck at home at the moment so I can translate it into French. I might also start the German version if no one wants to do it and I can ask someone to check it afterwards.

I have never written anything on Wikipedia before but it is probably not that much complicated and since I am not that much stupid, I should survive...

Jani Salomaa October 20, 2009 16:20 Flag

Again, great props for Timo and all others for making this happen! It only took a couple of days from my original posting to get it online - collaboration at it's finest.

Somebody at Star Wreck Studios, please send Timo the logo image so it can be perfected.

And people with native-level language skills, get to work translating it to other languages!

(null) October 18, 2009 11:58 Flag

Yes, well done Timo. Thumbs up again!

Peter Vesterbacka October 18, 2009 05:15 Flag

Great job!

Timo-Heikki Mäkelä October 18, 2009 00:57 Flag

Redirected from 'WAM' and 'Wreck-A-Movie' on both English and Finnish Wikipedias. The case of letters doesn't matter.

Seppo: There could be a list of notable finished movies added to the article once there will be several, or a separate article for the list could be opened to keep the article concise. Now Iron Sky and Sauna are mentioned in text at the end. (+ SW:ItP else in history.)

Jani: 'Wrecking' is not in general use but here, and it's secondary information. Same applies to 'Raven's nest'. Adding them would mostly just lengthen the text, although they'd otherwise be just fine. I added keywords and links to 'crowdsourcing' , 'work'net' and a few others, but 'audience 2.0' was unknown to Wikipedia, so I dropped it. (Perhaps you could write an article of it yourself, and then link it to WAM?)

Creative Commons licensed material is commonly being used here, but as far as I've understood from the Guidelines and EULA, all material here is free for sharing, unless otherwise agreed. (I think that's way too unclearly said in the terms and should be clarified!) With all sorts of licensing possible here, pointing to Creative Commons is difficult.

Need to add those awards and links from elsewhere later once I'll have time.

Kris, that movie is great, but I cannot add it, because it's to much of a promo. I would rather link to it from THIS site.

(null) October 17, 2009 14:45 Flag

Another thing you might want to link to perhaps?

http://www.archive.org/details/WhatIsWreckamovie

Jani Salomaa October 17, 2009 14:26 Flag

Big hand to Timo-Heikki! Great job in both languages! I think it is well-written, error-free and concise.

Some things I think could be added to the article:

- If you search Wreck A Movie or Wreck-A-Movie, it doesn't find the proper page. Is there a way "help" the search engine by keywords or something like that?

- Awards that WAM has won or is nominated for. Here are some of the most recent: http://tinyurl.com/yfj4tpb, http://blog.starwreck.com/2008/10/08/wreckamovie-won-the-mindtrek-award/ , http://www.digibusiness.fi/portal/34/?id=24950

- A mention that participating on the site has been coined "wrecking" (source: WAM FAQ).

- Other relevant terms: "crowdsourcing" http://tinyurl.com/yg3jg2f , "audience 2.0" http://tinyurl.com/y8snvl

- In the days prior to it's release WAM was called the Raven's Nest (Korpinpesä). http://tinyurl.com/yfmmvzr . Maybe you should also mention the Star Wreck forums and their IRC channel as it's predecessor.

- Links to Creative Commons licensing, Energia productions and maybe to some other relevant collaborative movie productions.

- Links TO Wreckmovie wiki FROM Star Wreck and other relevant entries

Seppo Hiltunen October 17, 2009 08:31 Flag

I just read through your text Timo-Heikki. Looks good to me. It could be nice in the future to update the wikipedia page every time there is a finished production to be announced. Just to show that WAM is a productive process in social web

Timo-Heikki Mäkelä October 17, 2009 08:11 Flag

Also available in Finnish now.... http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wreckamovie

It would be good, if some people bothered to proof read the texts.

And translating further into other languages isn't that difficult now, just click 'Edit this page' and change all common text. So, volunteers needed... (I could try Swedish or German, but I'd rather leave it to natives to avoid errors.)

Timo-Heikki Mäkelä October 16, 2009 23:58 Flag

Changed.

All it needs now, is a nice small Wreckamovie logo for picture.

Peter Vesterbacka October 16, 2009 23:30 Flag

No capitals, just Wreckamovie. We decided to use just that spelling in the summer, but there's still some old versions around (like on Facebook where one can't change the name of a fan page after it's been defined).

(null) October 16, 2009 23:24 Flag

When I did the "What is wreckamovie" videos I was told to correct it to "Wreckamovie" because I'd used a different spelling in the first video.

And that's also the spelling at the top of the page in the browser's title bar so I think it definitely is the official one.

I don't care myself :) , but some people might care and if it has to be done...

Timo-Heikki Mäkelä October 16, 2009 23:18 Flag

So... No Capitals in between? It doesn't really matter in searches, but it's a matter of uniformity. Leaving them off simplifies the looks, of course. But it also makes it look a bit more dull.

I think I'll wait for a reply from the 'Big' Timo... He's the boss here afterall. :)

(null) October 16, 2009 23:04 Flag

Timo, it's very good! :)

The only thing you'd really need to change is the name, like you say. I think the rest is fine as far as I can tell, and of course it can be edited if there is anything unsuitable found.

If the name is going to change it's best to do it now while the page is still fresh.

Timo-Heikki Mäkelä October 16, 2009 22:47 Flag

Awwww... Dang! I typed it WreckAMovie...

Gotta delete it now I just got it made?

;)

Take a look first, at least: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WreckAMovie

Peter Vesterbacka October 16, 2009 20:55 Flag

Yes, the spelling is Wreckamovie nowadays.

(null) October 16, 2009 14:12 Flag

Timo, I was told the official spelling is now "Wreckamovie".

"Yup, I know the rules."

Sorry! :)

Timo-Heikki Mäkelä October 16, 2009 14:01 Flag

Yup, I know the rules. I took quite some time to make clear what I can write. And hunting for suitable references was a pain in the *ss.

Now, I have a problem with the exact title. I've written a draft using 'WreckAMovie'. But actually I see in more places 'WreckAMovie.com' or 'www.wreckamovie.com' or even 'Wreck-A-Movie'. And I should pick which form to use as the actual title.

Which do you think is best? Or 'official'...?

(null) October 16, 2009 12:36 Flag

Also don't hype it at all, just say very neutrally what it does and why it is notable (it's by the producers of Star Wreck and Iron Sky). I think maybe it should be as brief as possible. The one thing we don't want is anyone thinking this is an advert.

Timo-Heikki Mäkelä October 16, 2009 07:58 Flag

Working on it...

Jani Salomaa October 16, 2009 06:15 Flag

Give it a try, Timo. Remember the minimalist wiki-text style and the use of proper outside sources.

If you get some stub together, I can also try to get some text done during the weekend.

(null) October 13, 2009 23:21 Flag

Go for it Timo! :)

Timo-Heikki Mäkelä October 13, 2009 23:10 Flag

I might do it. I'm pretty well aware of the stuff in here, but I'm not part of Energia nor staff here, although I've been very active else. I'm not exactly expert on Wikipedia, but I've written this and that in there.

Let's see more about it tomorrow.

Thierry Gschwind October 13, 2009 20:05 Flag

Both....actually someone could write the text..and some else less involved could post it...

(null) October 13, 2009 19:23 Flag

Thierry, do you mean too busy to do it, or are you worried about "conflict of interest" problems?

Thierry Gschwind October 13, 2009 19:02 Flag

I have some wiki expirience, but I think I'm too much involved here.

(null) October 13, 2009 18:57 Flag

I think that might be best because the last thing we want is WAM getting a bad name there.

Jani Salomaa October 13, 2009 17:13 Flag

I have zero experience there. Let's wait a bit, and see if someone with wikiexperience shows up.

(null) October 13, 2009 16:29 Flag

I'm not a Wikipedia veteran, I've corrected a spelling mistake here and there but not much beyond that.

Jani, are you experienced with editing Wikipedia?

Peter Vesterbacka October 13, 2009 15:36 Flag

Why don't you two (Jani and Kris) take the lead and create a Wikipedia entry for Wreckamovie? As Kris says we can't really do that ourselves if we are to comply with the rules of Wikipedia.

(null) October 13, 2009 14:25 Flag

It would have to be someone who isn't a member of staff on WAM or Energia, to comply with Wikipedia's rules on conflicts of interest.

The best person would be, like Jani says, someone who is already a regular contributor so that people can see they're not just part of some PR company.

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