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Jani Salomaa gave a shot "Abstraction in it's finest." for Requiem for Niccolo Machiavelli

Requiem for Niccolo Machiavelli > "Economic" weapons of war > Abstraction in it's finest.
"Economic" weapons of war. I would like to know which by analogy, economic instruments would be represented by which actual weapons. As an example, take a standard bank; it could be represented as a Fort-Strong hold in "weapon" terms, and perhaps coinage, could be represented as "bullets of some sort" - The American dollar being a DU shell (depleted uranium) whereas the Mexican pesos could be a small caliber bullet of some sort. I would like to "start" a discussion on this; and try to reach an overall agreement. The main idea being, is that in the trailer; which I will be making to attract more people, will make this general equations. Again, this is still part of the main Requiem project, in the sense that in art of war he goes into some detail of which weapons to use when.

1209 days ago | 0 Comments | 2 Thumb-ups

Well, your logic seems to be quite far up there in abstraction.. But let's try a couple:

1) Stock market is a hectic place that is all about future value, not present reality. In military terms all i can see is a (simulation) war room in which generals speculate and squabble over possibilities and risks of future attacks or defenses.. All that military simulation is, is speculation with always too little information at hand. Often it has little correlance with real life. That's why most military plans don't go as intended, just like the stock market.

2) The central bank = headquarters. With little connection to the men on the ground, both live in their own sanitized worlds of high finance and military theory.

3) Inflation. In the military, it means the loss of trust in you capabilities, your superiors or the technology. See: Inflation of the frontal assault in World War one.

Atte Joutsen gave a shot "Commercial blockade = siege" for Requiem for Niccolo Machiavelli

Requiem for Niccolo Machiavelli > "Economic" weapons of war > Commercial blockade = siege
"Economic" weapons of war. I would like to know which by analogy, economic instruments would be represented by which actual weapons. As an example, take a standard bank; it could be represented as a Fort-Strong hold in "weapon" terms, and perhaps coinage, could be represented as "bullets of some sort" - The American dollar being a DU shell (depleted uranium) whereas the Mexican pesos could be a small caliber bullet of some sort. I would like to "start" a discussion on this; and try to reach an overall agreement. The main idea being, is that in the trailer; which I will be making to attract more people, will make this general equations. Again, this is still part of the main Requiem project, in the sense that in art of war he goes into some detail of which weapons to use when.

1209 days ago | 0 Comments | 1 Thumb-up

Commercial blockade or embargo is the prohibition of commerce (division of trade) and trade with a certain country, in order to isolate it and to put its government into a difficult internal situation, given that the effects of the embargo are often able to make its economy suffer from the initiative. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embargo

This sounds very much like the siege of a town or a city to force the inhabitants to surrender because of lack of food and water during a long siege.

P.S. Here's a nice 4chan picture touching this task :)

Jani Salomaa commented a shot

Requiem for Niccolo Machiavelli > General Ideas > Machiavelli or Sun Tzu?
by: Mike Pohjola
Hi! Could you describe your core idea in further detail? You keep saying you want to adapt Machiavelli's The Art of War, but that makes little sense. Machiavelli wrote The Prince, which is a book about politics, and governing a city state (democracy, taxes etc). The Art of War was written by Sun Tzu, and that one's about military tactics and strategy (siege engines, morale etc). Either one would make an interesting basis for a tv series, perhaps feturing a longer story divided into thematically complete chapters. Occasional quotations from the original text. It could make for heavy, masculine, HBO style drama.

1212 days ago | 0 Thumb-ups

Mike, Macchiavelli also wrote books other than 'Il Principe'. One of of the lesser known of them is Art of War (Dell'arte della guerra). Sun Tzu's has the 'historical copyright' to the name, though.

Gary R Briones commented a shot

1212 days ago | 0 Thumb-ups

It main focus would be Machiavelli (Hence the name) however, incorporating some of Sun Tzu's work would not be beyond the scope of this project.

New task: "Economic" weapons of war

"Economic" weapons of war.

I would like to know which by analogy, economic instruments would be represented by which actual weapons. As an example, take a standard bank; it could be represented as a Fort-Strong hold in "weapon" terms, and perhaps coinage, could be represented as "bullets of some sort" - The American dollar being a DU shell (depleted uranium) whereas the Mexican pesos could be a small caliber bullet of some sort.

I would like to "start" a discussion on this; and try to reach an overall agreement. The main idea being, is that in the trailer; which I will be making to attract more people, will make this general equations.

Again, this is still part of the main Requiem project, in the sense that in art of war he goes into some detail of which weapons to use when.

Atte Joutsen commented a shot

Requiem for Niccolo Machiavelli > General Ideas > What are we supposed to comment on?
by: Jani Salomaa
Your production has an interesting theme, but that doesn't exactly give the Wreck A Movie community much to work with. If you give us no direction, we'd just have to guess everything. General ideas is NOT what this community does well. It is at it's best with focused, inspiring tasks. Maybe you should try that before quitting.. Macchiavelli, though, deserves a good requiem. He is still mistakenly referred in International Relations literature as the originator of cold-hearted 'realpolitik'. Too few writers realize he has to be situated in his time and place. But some of his writing has relevance to this day.. For example, military leaders should still heed his advice and avoid using mercenary soldiers, for their allegiance is to the dollar, not the cause.

1214 days ago | 0 Thumb-ups

Nicely commented Jani. You pinned down the the facts for successful collaboration: 1) The more you give to the community the more you recieve 2) Give the community inspiring material 3) Make the tasks well defined and make them focused. You can set several tasks to cover a large area in the production 4) Invite people and market your production also on other sites than WAM. 5) Be excited about your production, the excitement is contagious 6) Have fun, because after all, that is why we are here. Having fun with film productions and your friends :)

Gary R Briones commented a shot

1214 days ago | 0 Thumb-ups

sorry, been away for some time... i am going to make new tasks that actually are clear... i promise!

Mike Pohjola gave a shot "Focus on what you know" for Requiem for Niccolo Machiavelli

Requiem for Niccolo Machiavelli > General Ideas > Machiavelli or Sun Tzu?
Feed back as to the interest in this (these) films.

1218 days ago | 2 Comments | 0 Thumb-ups

Hi!

Could you describe your core idea in further detail? You keep saying you want to adapt Machiavelli's The Art of War, but that makes little sense. Machiavelli wrote The Prince, which is a book about politics, and governing a city state (democracy, taxes etc). The Art of War was written by Sun Tzu, and that one's about military tactics and strategy (siege engines, morale etc).

Either one would make an interesting basis for a tv series, perhaps feturing a longer story divided into thematically complete chapters. Occasional quotations from the original text. It could make for heavy, masculine, HBO style drama.

Jani Salomaa gave a shot "What are we supposed to comment on?" for Requiem for Niccolo Machiavelli

Requiem for Niccolo Machiavelli > General Ideas > What are we supposed to comment on?
Feed back as to the interest in this (these) films.

1220 days ago | 2 Comments | 1 Thumb-up

Your production has an interesting theme, but that doesn't exactly give the Wreck A Movie community much to work with.

If you give us no direction, we'd just have to guess everything. General ideas is NOT what this community does well. It is at it's best with focused, inspiring tasks. Maybe you should try that before quitting..

Macchiavelli, though, deserves a good requiem. He is still mistakenly referred in International Relations literature as the originator of cold-hearted 'realpolitik'. Too few writers realize he has to be situated in his time and place. But some of his writing has relevance to this day.. For example, military leaders should still heed his advice and avoid using mercenary soldiers, for their allegiance is to the dollar, not the cause.

Oskar Lönnberg commented a shot

Requiem for Niccolo Machiavelli > General Ideas > Has no one any feelings about Machiavelli ?
by: Gary R Briones
I had opened this up for "General" comments, but it seems that there is a total lack of interest. I will take the "production" down in a few more days, as it seems, doing this kind of film really, has no following. Oh, well, i guess that is the way the cookie crumbles. Gary

1242 days ago | 0 Thumb-ups

That demo had something, but I feel empty after it. I need to watch it again. But this thread and film idea has certainly made me interested in Machiavelli. I need dwell deeper into his work.

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