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(null) > Non-violent ways of temporarily disabling people > Allergic reactions, less-lethal chemical and biological weapons
by: Thomas Shaddack

Less-lethal approach, though not exactly nonviolent. A significant segment of the population suffers from one or more allergies. The knowledge of such, gleamed from the target's medical documentation, may allow a disabling attack, with response ranging from a mild discomfort through a rash to a life-threatening and immediate hospitalization requiring anaphylactic shock. The agent used, depending on the characteristics of the target, may be e.g. some food or an insect. Spiking target's food with a pathogen may also serve as a less-lethal disabling attack. Salmonella (or, if we want a quick epidemy in a facility, a norovirus) are just some of the possible candidates. A real case happened in 1984, when a cult in Oregon attempted to influence the county elections by incapacitating the voting population in the area by contaminating food in salad bars; genetic forensics, identifying the origin of the pathogen strain used, then led to apprehension of the culprits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Rajneeshee_bioterror_attack Another nasty thing is chloropicrin, also known as "vomit gas". Fairly toxic, but in low doses not too lethal; acts as a lachrymatory agent and causes intense vomiting. Used in WW1 as a chemical weapon; the small molecule penetrated the mask filters and its effects forced the soldier to remove the mask, leading to exposition to more lethal agents. The effect is virtually immediate - can start in as little as 10 seconds. It is commercially available for fumigation and seed and soil sterilization. Gas detection tubes for chloropicrin are commonly available as part of chemical weapon detection sets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloropicrin The vapors can linger in the contaminated area, especially if enclosed or underground, acting as an area-denial weapon. There was a case I heard about years ago of a quarrel between two chemists. One then contaminated the other's office. When the police came to investigate, their dog vomited just by sniffing the door, then the cops followed the poor doggie's example after opening the door and bravely stepping in. Yet another WW1 material is bromoacetone. A fairly powerful lachrymatory agent. VERY easy to make, frequently used for pranks by students of chemistry. So easy to make it can be prepared by accident when attempting to prepare something else; people often forget that the solvent can act as a reagent too (been there, weeped at the reaction yield). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromoacetone A commercially available CS gas spray will however do a comparable job; there were numerous cases of shopping centers evacuated or partially evacuated after somebody used a tear gas spray there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas Rigging such spray can with a pyrotechnic cartridge could provide a tear gas grenade/mine, useful for e.g. non-lethal protection of a facility against intrusion. A lot of other methods can be gleaned from Schneier's blog, especially from his movie plot terror contests.
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Just in the news: Harvard university lab workers poisoned by sodium azide spiked coffee. http://www.courant.com/news/nation-world/hc-harvard-lab-workers-poisoned-1025,0,3561022.story The chemical is used in older types of airbag gas generator cartridges.
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(null) > Non-violent ways of temporarily disabling people > Hot sauce
by: Thomas Shaddack

For certain feeding-related contexts. Addition of a suitably powerful hot sauce into somebody's food, which is then ingested, may lead to short-time temporary disabling of that person, who suddenly gets a set of mouth-on-fire related problems to immediately take care of. Usually accompanied with a telltale comedic behavior. A few chosen people from the top ranks of chileheads are virtually immune to such effects. This difference in the individual response rate may be used to lure the victim into thinking that their bottle of ketchup is not spiked with anything dangerous. Said extreme chileheads, adapted to the effects of capsaicin, also tend to have very attenuated response to pepper spray.
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This would be a really good way of temporarily distracting/disabling someone without any kind of violent intent, and it would also be something the whole audience can relate to (it's almost road runner territory!). Maybe the spy has intercepted a person's takeaway lunch and inserted a large amount of tabasco into it...
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(null) > Non-violent ways of temporarily disabling people > Allergic reactions, less-lethal chemical and biological weapons
by: Thomas Shaddack

Less-lethal approach, though not exactly nonviolent. A significant segment of the population suffers from one or more allergies. The knowledge of such, gleamed from the target's medical documentation, may allow a disabling attack, with response ranging from a mild discomfort through a rash to a life-threatening and immediate hospitalization requiring anaphylactic shock. The agent used, depending on the characteristics of the target, may be e.g. some food or an insect. Spiking target's food with a pathogen may also serve as a less-lethal disabling attack. Salmonella (or, if we want a quick epidemy in a facility, a norovirus) are just some of the possible candidates. A real case happened in 1984, when a cult in Oregon attempted to influence the county elections by incapacitating the voting population in the area by contaminating food in salad bars; genetic forensics, identifying the origin of the pathogen strain used, then led to apprehension of the culprits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Rajneeshee_bioterror_attack Another nasty thing is chloropicrin, also known as "vomit gas". Fairly toxic, but in low doses not too lethal; acts as a lachrymatory agent and causes intense vomiting. Used in WW1 as a chemical weapon; the small molecule penetrated the mask filters and its effects forced the soldier to remove the mask, leading to exposition to more lethal agents. The effect is virtually immediate - can start in as little as 10 seconds. It is commercially available for fumigation and seed and soil sterilization. Gas detection tubes for chloropicrin are commonly available as part of chemical weapon detection sets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloropicrin The vapors can linger in the contaminated area, especially if enclosed or underground, acting as an area-denial weapon. There was a case I heard about years ago of a quarrel between two chemists. One then contaminated the other's office. When the police came to investigate, their dog vomited just by sniffing the door, then the cops followed the poor doggie's example after opening the door and bravely stepping in. Yet another WW1 material is bromoacetone. A fairly powerful lachrymatory agent. VERY easy to make, frequently used for pranks by students of chemistry. So easy to make it can be prepared by accident when attempting to prepare something else; people often forget that the solvent can act as a reagent too (been there, weeped at the reaction yield). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromoacetone A commercially available CS gas spray will however do a comparable job; there were numerous cases of shopping centers evacuated or partially evacuated after somebody used a tear gas spray there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas Rigging such spray can with a pyrotechnic cartridge could provide a tear gas grenade/mine, useful for e.g. non-lethal protection of a facility against intrusion. A lot of other methods can be gleaned from Schneier's blog, especially from his movie plot terror contests.
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Thomas, these are all great shots but I'm starting to get worried how much you know about this topic! ;-)
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(null) > Interesting ways of entering a building covertly > Hijack an authority
by: Thomas Shaddack

Use a Higher Power. Infiltrate or impersonate some sort of an authority that can force its access to the premises. Not exactly covert, though. A child porn raid targeting a specific employee's computer, or a blanket "audit" of all the machines in the facility for software licensing compliance, are just two of the many possibilities. The latter may also allow insertion of malware or listening devices in relative comfort. Other possibilities can involve an immigration raid, workplace safety inspection or other kind of compliance enforcement annoyance, or even just calling in a bomb threat and letting the bomb squad do our dirty work. The bomb threat may also serve a role if we want to "depopulate" a surveillance camera supervision center for a while.
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That could definitely work in another plot but not in this film, as the main character is operating outside their home country. But I'm sure this kind of thing happens all the time in the real world.
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(null) > Interesting ways of entering a building covertly > Use or create a catastrophical event
by: Thomas Shaddack

Schneier in "Beyond Fear" describes a bank robbery. A volcano erupted, covering a nearby city with ash. City got evacuated, then completely buried under ash. Shortly afterwards the enterpreneurs came, dug a hole through the ash into the bank, and removed the money. For gaining access to data or materials in a facility, a catastrophical event can be exploited (e.g. a flood) or staged (a fire). Data recovery from flooded or fire-damaged disk drives is commercially available. Access to a freshly burned-down or flooded facility may be made easier by the damage done to the security system, and the overall chaos of the situation.
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...it's an interesting idea but perhaps a little extreme! :) Though of course if such a disaster was going to happen anyway, it could easily be exploited as you suggest.
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(null) > Interesting ways of entering a building covertly > idea
by: Stig-Magnus Gjerald

I have always liked the thief approach,for instance grappling hook from adjacent building, then rapelling down to the window of an empty office. How about he sets off the alarm on purpose, then enters the building while it goes off(ofc in another part of the building). Or he sets off the alarm multiple times, in response they get service crew to take alook. He lies in wait for the maintenance people and uses for instance the neuralring i suggested earlier to knock em out. Uses a special device to put his own pic on id card,then simply walks into the building.
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There was an episode of mythbusters about false positives on drug tests, and it was quite terrifying: just two small poppy-seed buns were enough to give them a positive result on heroin tests. And as they pointed out, if a potential employer does such a test on you, they probably won't tell you the result and you'll never know why you didn't get a job. There was also a case of someone who ate a poppy seed baguette at an airport, flew to a country with zero-tolerance for opiates and was subsequently jailed there. ...so drug tests aren't quite the magic bullet that certain people choose to believe they are.
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(null) > Non-violent ways of temporarily disabling people > Allergic reactions, less-lethal chemical and biological weapons
Some of the characters in the story may try to temporarily put certain people out of action. It would be nice to get some suggestions on how non-violent action of this kind could be shown easily, cheaply and in a way that looks cool. For example, one of the James Bond films had a cigarette which the user blew into and it spat sleeping gas from the other end, disabling the person next to them.
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Less-lethal approach, though not exactly nonviolent.

A significant segment of the population suffers from one or more allergies. The knowledge of such, gleamed from the target's medical documentation, may allow a disabling attack, with response ranging from a mild discomfort through a rash to a life-threatening and immediate hospitalization requiring anaphylactic shock.

The agent used, depending on the characteristics of the target, may be e.g. some food or an insect.

Spiking target's food with a pathogen may also serve as a less-lethal disabling attack. Salmonella (or, if we want a quick epidemy in a facility, a norovirus) are just some of the possible candidates. A real case happened in 1984, when a cult in Oregon attempted to influence the county elections by incapacitating the voting population in the area by contaminating food in salad bars; genetic forensics, identifying the origin of the pathogen strain used, then led to apprehension of the culprits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Rajneeshee_bioterror_attack

Another nasty thing is chloropicrin, also known as "vomit gas". Fairly toxic, but in low doses not too lethal; acts as a lachrymatory agent and causes intense vomiting. Used in WW1 as a chemical weapon; the small molecule penetrated the mask filters and its effects forced the soldier to remove the mask, leading to exposition to more lethal agents. The effect is virtually immediate - can start in as little as 10 seconds. It is commercially available for fumigation and seed and soil sterilization. Gas detection tubes for chloropicrin are commonly available as part of chemical weapon detection sets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloropicrin
The vapors can linger in the contaminated area, especially if enclosed or underground, acting as an area-denial weapon.
There was a case I heard about years ago of a quarrel between two chemists. One then contaminated the other's office. When the police came to investigate, their dog vomited just by sniffing the door, then the cops followed the poor doggie's example after opening the door and bravely stepping in.

Yet another WW1 material is bromoacetone. A fairly powerful lachrymatory agent. VERY easy to make, frequently used for pranks by students of chemistry. So easy to make it can be prepared by accident when attempting to prepare something else; people often forget that the solvent can act as a reagent too (been there, weeped at the reaction yield).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromoacetone

A commercially available CS gas spray will however do a comparable job; there were numerous cases of shopping centers evacuated or partially evacuated after somebody used a tear gas spray there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas
Rigging such spray can with a pyrotechnic cartridge could provide a tear gas grenade/mine, useful for e.g. non-lethal protection of a facility against intrusion.

A lot of other methods can be gleaned from Schneier's blog, especially from his movie plot terror contests.

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(null) > Non-violent ways of temporarily disabling people > Hot sauce
Some of the characters in the story may try to temporarily put certain people out of action. It would be nice to get some suggestions on how non-violent action of this kind could be shown easily, cheaply and in a way that looks cool. For example, one of the James Bond films had a cigarette which the user blew into and it spat sleeping gas from the other end, disabling the person next to them.
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For certain feeding-related contexts. Addition of a suitably powerful hot sauce into somebody's food, which is then ingested, may lead to short-time temporary disabling of that person, who suddenly gets a set of mouth-on-fire related problems to immediately take care of. Usually accompanied with a telltale comedic behavior.

A few chosen people from the top ranks of chileheads are virtually immune to such effects. This difference in the individual response rate may be used to lure the victim into thinking that their bottle of ketchup is not spiked with anything dangerous.

Said extreme chileheads, adapted to the effects of capsaicin, also tend to have very attenuated response to pepper spray.

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(null) > Interesting ways of entering a building covertly > Hijack an authority
What are the most interesting and/or coolest ways that a character could gain entry to a government building without permission? They could be physical ways (e.g. cutting open a window) or social ways (e.g. distracting the guards), or anything else you can think of. These do not have to be realistic, this is not a realistic film. However, these do have to be filmable with a modest budget, so no helicopters or anything that requires a lot of money.
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Use a Higher Power. Infiltrate or impersonate some sort of an authority that can force its access to the premises. Not exactly covert, though.

A child porn raid targeting a specific employee's computer, or a blanket "audit" of all the machines in the facility for software licensing compliance, are just two of the many possibilities. The latter may also allow insertion of malware or listening devices in relative comfort. Other possibilities can involve an immigration raid, workplace safety inspection or other kind of compliance enforcement annoyance, or even just calling in a bomb threat and letting the bomb squad do our dirty work.

The bomb threat may also serve a role if we want to "depopulate" a surveillance camera supervision center for a while.

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(null) > Interesting ways of entering a building covertly > Use or create a catastrophical event
What are the most interesting and/or coolest ways that a character could gain entry to a government building without permission? They could be physical ways (e.g. cutting open a window) or social ways (e.g. distracting the guards), or anything else you can think of. These do not have to be realistic, this is not a realistic film. However, these do have to be filmable with a modest budget, so no helicopters or anything that requires a lot of money.
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Schneier in "Beyond Fear" describes a bank robbery. A volcano erupted, covering a nearby city with ash. City got evacuated, then completely buried under ash. Shortly afterwards the enterpreneurs came, dug a hole through the ash into the bank, and removed the money.

For gaining access to data or materials in a facility, a catastrophical event can be exploited (e.g. a flood) or staged (a fire). Data recovery from flooded or fire-damaged disk drives is commercially available. Access to a freshly burned-down or flooded facility may be made easier by the damage done to the security system, and the overall chaos of the situation.